Novice Hurdlers 21/22

Double J said:
He’s beaten better horses than CH.
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Maybe so but he's beaten the same horse as Stage Star destroyed in the Challow and he's easy to back in the Ballymore.

Not exactly great form to be getting all excited about.

I certailny wouldn't back him in the Supreme he's far too deliberate at his hurdles and was no where nar as fluent as either CH or Jonbon.

WPM will need to polish up his jumping if he's going to be a danger to either IMO
 
Double J said:
He’s beaten better horses than CH.

Ive no doubt if he was jn the Hendo stable you’d be quaking with your Honeysuckle bets again.
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I think they're probably around the same level as the ones CH beat and, for me, he has done so much more impressively in the sense that CH is very fast and strong late in his races but DD looked fast and strong throughout his race, certainly today.

My immediate thoughts were that two of the field weren't off an inch, being anchored and detached, early. It looked like the two jockeys were happy to have a social outing. I then wondered if two of the others were only there to gallop to halfway before being eased off.

However, I have to assume the Elliott runner-up was there to get a handle on the winner for something else in the stable but he could never get anywhere near the winner and one of the early backmarkers plodded on into fifth as the others weakened.

The third, fourth and fifth all had ORs around the same ball-park (118-122) so, in theory at least, have run not far off their relative abilities but have been beaten 49 lengths and more - at least 50lbs!

While the form probably can't be taken literally, it would be folly to take it in any other way than extremely seriously.
 
PT said he jumped really well so I am probably wrong on that score but he honestly looks more of a chasing type to me.

He looks certain to Go Ballymore anyway.
 
Tanlic said:
PT said he jumped really well so I am probably wrong on that score but he honestly looks more of a chasing type to me.

He looks certain to Go Ballymore anyway.
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Id say that was a Supreme horse myself. Willies used that race for Min, Douvan and Vautour
 
He'll need to go some to reach the standard set by Douvan or Vautour but right now the world is his oyster.

I notice Jetiolle and Knapppers Hill are fancied for the Betfair Hurdle wheras Gringo D'aubrelle isn't entered for anything I can see.

So I'm not so sure he's beaten better horses than CH has.

My worry with some Irish horses Mullins send out is they very rarely have any more than a couple trying a yard behind them
and the Stewards in Ireland never say a word as it is accepted as par for the course.

It can lead to horses looking better than they are although I wouldn't put this horse in that category.

I can't see anything living with the Henderson pair and it might end up this horse goes Ballymore and Nicky avoids him by running both his in the Supreme

who knows?
 
Its why the Irish consistently win nothing at Cheltenham, given how many uncompetitive tin pot races throughout their calendar.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I think they're probably around the same level as the ones CH beat and, for me, he has done so much more impressively in the sense that CH is very fast and strong late in his races but DD looked fast and strong throughout his race, certainly today.

My immediate thoughts were that two of the field weren't off an inch, being anchored and detached, early. It looked like the two jockeys were happy to have a social outing. I then wondered if two of the others were only there to gallop to halfway before being eased off.

However, I have to assume the Elliott runner-up was there to get a handle on the winner for something else in the stable but he could never get anywhere near the winner and one of the early backmarkers plodded on into fifth as the others weakened.

The third, fourth and fifth all had ORs around the same ball-park (118-122) so, in theory at least, have run not far off their relative abilities but have been beaten 49 lengths and more - at least 50lbs!

While the form probably can't be taken literally, it would be folly to take it in any other way than extremely seriously.
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The John Ryan horses run every week and were 100/1+. Their form is irrelevant. There is no 'off' or 'not off' with them. Guily Billy and Hawai Game were promising and didnt finish. Hate to say another de bromhead horse, and one that was rank throughout. Mullins has had a few like that for McManus for some reason. Elliot doesn't have anything near the winner to be of any interest in getting a line on the form. The runner up is as good as he is showing on the track and no better. If in a different stable, the winner is a surpeme horse, an out and out 2m, and good luck laying up with him on the day Should makes for a great race.
 
HawkWing said:
The John Ryan horses run every week and were 100/1+. Their form is irrelevant. There is no 'off' or 'not off' with them. Guily Billy and Hawai Game were promising and didnt finish. Hate to say another de bromhead horse, and one that was rank throughout. Mullins has had a few like that for McManus for some reason. Elliot doesn't have anything near the winner to be of any interest in getting a line on the form. The runner up is as good as he is showing on the track and no better. If in a different stable, the winner is a surpeme horse, an out and out 2m, and good luck laying up with him on the day Should makes for a great race.
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That backs up what I've been saying for years, that in some races in Ireland the favourite is 'allowed' to win uncontested. Visually, though, there was something different about that race today. It looked 'gen-up'.
 
HawkWing said:
Its why the Irish consistently win nothing at Cheltenham, given how many uncompetitive tin pot races throughout their calendar.
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I said some horses not all ..Mullins can win a dozen novice hurdle races by as many lengths which makes it difficult to know which ones are best...you were telling us one minute Sir Gerhard was the dogs bollocks now suddenly it's this fellow...which proves my point. In future have some respect for other people's opinions man and stop the ignorant comments....**** with me I will bury you with logic and common sense and you'll learn I am not for small boys to play with
 
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Seeing as I haven't mentioned Sir Gerhard on the forum, and the utter horsehit you continually post, I think I'll cope.
 
Desert Orchid said:
That backs up what I've been saying for years, that in some races in Ireland the favourite is 'allowed' to win uncontested. Visually, though, there was something different about that race today. It looked 'gen-up'.
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It's more that there is a clear hierarchy in the maiden's and to a lesser extent the novices. 2 maybe 3 with potential which can go a pace that would murder the middle of the road handicappers should they try to contest it. It's always interesting when an unfashionable trainer has one that lasts with the ones with potential (master mcshee last year was one)
 
I dontt fancy Knappers but some do he is currently 2nd fav on the exchange I would have thought Jetiolle was the more likely but I will stick with JR for a fiver EW
 
HawkWing said:
The John Ryan horses run every week and were 100/1+. Their form is irrelevant. There is no 'off' or 'not off' with them. Guily Billy and Hawai Game were promising and didnt finish. Hate to say another de bromhead horse, and one that was rank throughout. Mullins has had a few like that for McManus for some reason. Elliot doesn't have anything near the winner to be of any interest in getting a line on the form. The runner up is as good as he is showing on the track and no better. If in a different stable, the winner is a surpeme horse, an out and out 2m, and good luck laying up with him on the day Should makes for a great race.
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Have you even took the time to check how Henry De Bromhead is doing this season insted of continously picking out a few of the 180+ horses the man has in training?

The fact is he is currently on a 16% strike rate..His average over the previous 5 years was 15%

3 of his stable stars have won at first time of asking and he's currently one of the biggest earners at 1.4 million bothe sides of the water,

If you cared to do some research before flapping your gums you'd know that Gilly Billy finished with a fractured hoof.
 
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I've just watched yesterday's 3 CD hurdles races side by side.

It made DD look even more impressive than watching it for the first time. I think I'm right in saying DD ran every section of the race increasingly faster than the other two races bar maybe the run-in, by which time he was easing down to a canter.

I think he would give the champion hurdle field a run for their money.

If I knew for definite which novice race he was going for (and was getting NRNB) I'd be getting wired in.
 
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