Poll: Brexit - Two Years After

Stay or Leave

  • Stay

    Votes: 23 60.5%

  • Leave

    Votes: 15 39.5%
  • Total voters
    38
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In the previous poll 27 voted Stay and 20 Leave. It would be interesting to know how folk would vote now if a second referendum was to be held next Thursday

Has your opinion changed two years on?

Me? I'll just quote Omar Khayyam:

I've heard great argument
About it and about: but evermore
Came out by the same door where in I went

Still a sceptical Remainer, then
 
Still a 100% enthusiastic Remainer. A perfect European Unon is unacheivable, but I believe wholeheartedly in the imperfect one that we have (for the moment).
 
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Remain for me,a massive surge to the right in many areas of politics is making everything seem so uncertain can see the torys launching us back to the 80s where lots of worjkers got exploited and the unemployed, workers rights doing what they want,cannot be allowed to happen..
 
I’d vote leave. I voted remain two years ago but I think we should respect the initial vote and would cast my ballot accordingly.

The difference it will make is vastly overstated on both sides.




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BennyB said:
The difference it will make is vastly overstated on both sides.
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I agree with this but I'd vote Stay (again), just so that I didn't have to be associated with the thick racists that make up a large portion of Leave voters.
 
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I voted to leave originally and can’t see anything that makes me want to change my mind

another way to look at it is ask yourself this - if people knew in 1973 what they know now about the EU would they still have voted to join then?

The remainers seem to forget we live in a democratic society - the majority decide to leave and that’s whats happening. I doubt that if the vote had gone the other way there would be this many demonstrations!
 
So what exactly were you voting for, Ballydoyle? Soft? The Full Monty? Irish border posts? The original referendum in the Seventies (where I voted 'In') was equally binding as the last one. I heard Farage say on referendum day that he thought they would lose but would be back again in a couple of years so, if he didn't see it as binding why should those on the Remain side?

The original question was so limited that repeating it is completely pointless. On the other hand, once the terms are agreed they should, at the very least, be presented to parliament and, if not approved by them come back to the people.
 
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I wonder if Johnson would turn up for the parliamentary vote.

Surely self-evident that, if he, Gove and Fox think it's a good idea then it's a complete minger.
 
Ballydoyle said:
I voted to leave originally and can’t see anything that makes me want to change my mind

another way to look at it is ask yourself this - if people knew in 1973 what they know now about the EU would they still have voted to join then?

The remainers seem to forget we live in a democratic society - the majority decide to leave and that’s whats happening. I doubt that if the vote had gone the other way there would be this many demonstrations!
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Think this is complete and utter bollocks myself. For a huge decision like this, a super-majority should have applied, and the only reason it didn’t was because the referendum was deemed advisory. That advisory referendum has since been prostituted, and been sold as binding, so I excuse me if I choose not to listen to any BS about ‘democracy’.

Thatnotwithstanding, if the public vote for something which is patently not in the National Interest - and on every measure, Brexit is not in the National Interest - it is the job of Parliament to play their part, and halt it. Unfortunately, our Parliament if full of saps, cowards and charlatans, who would rather meekly accept the vote for matters of self-interest, than do their jobs.

If this is British democracy in action, you’re fu*cking welcome to it.
 
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Ballydoyle said:
I voted to leave originally and can’t see anything that makes me want to change my mind

another way to look at it is ask yourself this - if people knew in 1973 what they know now about the EU would they still have voted to join then?
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I voted not to join the club initially, on the simple premise that the cost of living in Europe was higher than ours. Not only were my fears of our prices matching theirs soon founded, we have now surpassed them, mostly due - it needs pointing out - to the doomsaying of the remainers.
We voted out, and we should stay out. We might have it rough for a few years but there'll also be benefits - not least, we won't be paying farmers not to produce (the number of fallow fields around my house must be multiplied thousands of times over, throughout the community). What good does that do anyone?
We had a good relationship with Europe (and most of the rest of the world) before we joined, and there's no real reason why that won't obtain again in future.

ps Grass, good luck with your future denocracy - you might need it, under Queen Nicola.
 
A few months ago, I spoke to a senior executive in one of Ireland's leading food companies. This company has processing plants on both sides of the border. Its' lorries cross the border 23,500 times a year. A 15 minute delay each time would be equivalent to 5875 hours of downtime annually for those lorries.

This is just one example of how this poxy policy is going to decimate the economy.

A policy back-boned by racism and augmented by a nostalgic hankering for an empire that is long gone.

Ultimately though it wont be Paul Dacre, Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg that will suffer. Their millions will be well insulated from the collapse. Indeed Rees Mogg's investment fund management company recently set up an investment vehicle in Dublin to operate post Brexit.
 
Don't worry in 10 years time there ''maybe'' some benefits :lol::lol: or maybe not most of the old cunts that voted for it will be long gone..

How come that hasn't been censored out:lol::lol:
 
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A policy back-boned by racism and augmented by a nostalgic hankering for an empire that is long gone.
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I was/am a Remainer because I believe (like many others) it will damage our economy.
There'll be less money for the public services, the NHS, less growth and less jobs.

The only antithesis to this, would be a Jeremy Corbyn led government, but that's still an odds-against chance at the moment.

However, I have to say, freedom of movement was (and is) a legitimate debating point. I think comments like yours and alike from other commentators actually denigrate what real racism actually is. Given most migrant workers from Eastern Europe are white anyway, I fail to buy into the racism argument.

One of my first proper relationships in my late teens was with a young lady from Latvia. I liked (loved?:)) her and her family. We're still in contact as friends years later.

However, given we've had a referendum vote, as a voter, I weighed up the pro's and con's of freedom of movement, but still voted remain in any event.

My calculations were made, not just by who I've had relationships with, or how well I get on with my imaginary cleaner, but also the annual increase in net migration the past 15 years. It's not all bad of course, but it does often mean less wages for British born workers, does it not?

I take my vote seriously.

To ignore the pro's and con's of freedom of movement, for fear of being labelled racist, is too ridiculous an idea I'd ever entertain, personally.
 
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It is, obviously, ridiculous to label all "leavers" as racists but I would bet virtually all our "loveable" racists did vote to leave. And that was probably enough, together with the geriatric vote, to make the difference. And that`s Democracy folks!
 
There's no such thing as a loveable racist! People who habitually discriminate against people from different racial backgrounds are just stupid ignorant arseholes who are jail bate in this day and age I'm sure we both agree!
 
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Colin, as a fellow "coffin dodger", I must agree. But us sensible geriatrics were, unfortunately, vastly outnumbered by our fellow geriatrics!
 
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It is, obviously, ridiculous to label all "leavers" as racists but I would bet virtually all our "loveable" racists did vote to leave. And that was probably enough, together with the geriatric vote, to make the difference. And that`s Democracy folks!
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Even my dad never voted leave and he's pretty conservative,my mum voted leave I said why the hell did you vote leave she said ''bloody foreigners'' the classic line she wouldn't have a clue why else she did it..crazy.
 
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I voted not to join the club initially, on the simple premise that the cost of living in Europe was higher than ours. Not only were my fears of our prices matching theirs soon founded, we have now surpassed them, mostly due - it needs pointing out - to the doomsaying of the remainers.
We voted out, and we should stay out. We might have it rough for a few years but there'll also be benefits - not least, we won't be paying farmers not to produce (the number of fallow fields around my house must be multiplied thousands of times over, throughout the community). What good does that do anyone?
We had a good relationship with Europe (and most of the rest of the world) before we joined, and there's no real reason why that won't obtain again in future.

ps Grass, good luck with your future denocracy - you might need it, under Queen Nicola.
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This is garbage.

1. Cost of living increase has nothing to do with EU, and everything to do with UK Govt policy over the last 40 years.
2. Remainers have no control over anything. It is the ineptitude of the UK govt - who have never yet proposed a workable plan - that is responsible for the prevailing economic winds. These examples are nothing more than simple transference - exactly as was predicted would happen, when things inevitably went to sh*it.
3. Putting aside the pathetic narrowness of your argument, good luck getting someone to pick all the extra food your farmers will grow.
4. We had a good relationship with Europe, because we saved them from the jackboot of fascism in two World Wars. Not only are we now divorcing ourselves from them, we are not even doing so with honour. Look no further than the shabby manner in which we are treating UK-resident EU citizens. If you think there will be goodwill on the back of this, I fear you are wrong. The EU will simply go about its business, and at best, ignore us fu*cking completely.
5. If I’m going to go poor anyway, I’d rather do it as a citizen of an Independent Scotland, than be stuck with a ‘British’ label, and all the negative connotations of superiority, pettiness, hubris and ignorance, that implies. At least Sturgeon has integrity.

You can ram your pea-brained, insular, cretinous notions of sunlit uplands and a new Gloriana, right up your fu*cking jacksie.

Ben, disappointed in you. Respect is earned, and the Referendum result fails the ‘earned’ test on every measure. Fu*ck the result, and all the fu*cking hateful fu*cking idiocy that’s flowed from it.
 
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This is the exact reason that I have come round to the concept of Brexit....let the fools suffer the consequences of their Ill informed scutter[emoji23][emoji23]
 
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