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Wolf said:
and this is the trouble with forums such as this, nobody ever changes their opinion no matter how wrong they are :-) This is the reason I rarely get involved in the horsey section on here, TRF etc. everything going round in circles and a waste of human life. I prefer to stick to the frothy warmth of chit chat to chill out and have a bit of fun. Mind you, the chit chat on here is about as much fun as Hiroshima in the mid 40s :lol:
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Why would I change my opinion when 22 years of working in an equine Vets has formed it? I don’t expect everyone to agree with my opinion - but I’m no more wrong than opposing views are right.


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Stubbornness? No offence to you, but some equine vets at the top of their game didn't agree with the BHA decision.
 
Wolf said:
Stubbornness? No offence to you, but some equine vets at the top of their game didn't agree with the BHA decision.
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Some didn’t. But most did....
I’ve nursed horses with equine flu - both vaccinated and unvaccinated - it’s ****. Almost as **** as the ones I’ve nursed with tetanus and that is the worst thing I’ve ever had to watch horses go through.


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frontrunner said:
Its been in his yard for the last five years :D
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Are you sure Brian ? Part of latest Latest BHA statement reads "Confirmation has also been received that the strain of the virus is the “Florida Clade 1” strain, which is endemic to North and South America, and is different from Clade 2 strain that is endemic to Europe." I suspect it's the FC2 strain that the McCain yard may have had ?
 
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Diamond Geezer said:
Are you sure Brian ? Part of latest Latest BHA statement reads "Confirmation has also been received that the strain of the virus is the “Florida Clade 1” strain, which is endemic to North and South America, and is different from Clade 2 strain that is endemic to Europe." I suspect it's the FC2 strain that the McCain yard may have had ?
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I think that one has gone straight over your head DG.

I think it more refers to the form of the yard.
 
Yes I see now, too clever for me :lol:

Luck On Sunday this morning just finished an interview with David Sykes from BHA, not all yards have started testing yet owing to a shortage of swabs including at least one with over one hundred horses, not every horse in some yards has been tested. However it is estimated that approximatelly 750 more results have now returned negative, so 1500 in all.


edit BHA have just contacted the show to say the second figure is still unconfirmed
 
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Wolf said:
Stubbornness? No offence to you, but some equine vets at the top of their game didn't agree with the BHA decision.
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Doctors differ and patients die !

Same with vets alas !

Our professional opinion is just that, an opinion , based on our training in "the science and the art of veterinary medicine ", and experience in the field.
To some , the science is most important, to others , the art. ( Breeder of Tiger Roll described himself as of the latter variety)
Virus behaviour differs in every animal, immunity varies as does immune response to vaccine.
In an ideal world 95% plus of the equine population (all equines including donkeys and mules etc) need to be vaccinated properly (full course, with fully healthy animals at time of vaccine ) for population cover.
Remember thirty years ago some trainers refused to vaccinate , believing the vaccine impaired animal immunity making them sicker !
That opinion is still present in some cases.
 
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Wolf said:
I should think that as a trainer who's worked with horses for decades, he will certainly know more than the collective brains of the BHA about the right thing to do in this situation.They will have an equine vet on board, but he won't be any more knowledgeable than the aforementioned Pete Ramzan who has agreed with NTD.
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I don't even think NTD knows where to place his own horses most of the time so certainly shouldn't be making any decisions regards the entire good of the game. That said I'm not enough in the know to say who should be but I'd imagine Vets would know best and i'd go with the majority of Vets verdict, that doesn't guarantee that they are right but I believe that would be the best option for want of a better idea.

You could defend NTD of course by saying he's had plenty of success down the years which is true and also part of the problem with people like him who I've found with regards his opinions towards his own string and training methods as bullish and arrogant. You see if you give a man a little success and he presumes he's doing everything right, the fact is very few people who are being successful ever stop and think to imagine how great they'd be if they stopped doing so many things wrong or even admit that they could be wrong. Whatever Nigel has achieved with the horses in his charge I believe he'd have achieved a lot more if at times he'd backed down and accepted that sometimes he was wrong and explored other avenues with his horses.

It sort of alludes to what you've mentioned later on the thread about people not changing there opinions on forums in general because people rarely stop to think they are wrong. In Trudi's case on this thread I'd think its right not to of course because its an "educated opinion formed in her/his specialist field" that's in a complete different ball park to the likes of someone like me who can read lots of differing specialists opinions and not have one clue which is true or right but I could field a guess as to which opinion makes more sense. I still wouldn't spout that opinion off as correct though, I'd rather just sit back and keep listening in a situation to people who know better.
 
Henrietta Knight now on LOS reckons "BHA have started a fire and will struggle to put it out"
 
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Think it would be unfair to allow some yards to resume having runners when not all yards have been tested/given the all clear, which is what I am reading here. That aside I cannot see that racing will start again on Wednesday.
 
On a very slightly positive note, the local BBC news Spotlight have been on the phone two days running to me (I am Wessex Area Secretary) to set up interviews with our local point to point secretaries due to the cancellation. And tonight it got top billing in conjunction with a piece with David Pipe. Bearing in mind the BBC are usually anti all racing and very biased against pointing due to the hunting connection, I have been fairly amazed!
 
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Doctors differ and patients die !

Same with vets alas !

Our professional opinion is just that, an opinion , based on our training in "the science and the art of veterinary medicine ", and experience in the field.
To some , the science is most important, to others , the art. ( Breeder of Tiger Roll described himself as of the latter variety)
Virus behaviour differs in every animal, immunity varies as does immune response to vaccine.
In an ideal world 95% plus of the equine population (all equines including donkeys and mules etc) need to be vaccinated properly (full course, with fully healthy animals at time of vaccine ) for population cover.
Remember thirty years ago some trainers refused to vaccinate , believing the vaccine impaired animal immunity making them sicker !
That opinion is still present in some cases.
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For what its worth, I'd trust a BHA vet or a General Practitioner over a psychiatrist. :)
 
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The ban on British-trained runners in Ireland has been lifted with immediate effect provided that the horses comply with the IHRB requirements (Clade 1 vaccine, etc).
 
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Diamond Geezer said:
The ban on British-trained runners in Ireland has been lifted with immediate effect.
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Irish boys putting the pressure on. [emoji6] Seriously tho, that must be based on some shared info from today’s findings.


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Or maybe the Irish authorities have reconsidered, and have decided to reverse the ban on GB runners in Ireland for fear of something similar happening a few weeks down the line to intended Irish runners at Cheltenham?
 
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