The Debate

Songsheet said:
However, DO, the majority of your fellow countrymen clearly do consider that Scotland should be independent as far as governing themselves go but also want to be able to determine how England is governed. I don't find that acceptable. It's great that a democratically elected majority of the SNP can determine your life choices but it isn't OK that they can align with whoever they think will oppose the democratically elected majority party in England.
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That's not the situation.

We're part of the UK therefore are entitled to our democratic say in UK matters. I agree that now we have an element of autonomy in certain issues (education & health, for example, both of which have done incredibly well since devolution) any matter restricted to England should be debated only by English MPs. I don't have a problem with that and I can't think of anyone up here who does.

As for the SNP, they are the only ones that want independence and they are in third place in Scotland, with a very small percentage of the vote - in other words, only a very small number of Scottish voters want independence - yet they run a minority government. I don't like it, but that's how the system works. We accept it, get on with it and hope to put them back where they belong at the next Scottish elections.
 
In the weeks running up to the election, there was a succession of business leaders and analysts interviewed on the business slots on TV saying what a great job Brown and Darling had done and how much confidence the business community had in the recovery in the long term. The banks that the government stepped in to help are prospering and are paying back billions of pounds to the treasury. Brown and Darling secured little goldmines for the taxpayer there.

My worry, I admit, is where that income goes! My biggest worry is that the tories come in and syphon it all off for their rich supporters.
 
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You can see why the English are struggling to come to terms with the fact that the Tories are not already governing though.
 
betsmate said:
You can see why the English are struggling to come to terms with the fact that the Tories are not already governing though.
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The Tories are a staunchly Unionist party. Is it time for their supporters to conveniently forget that part?
 
No. But I wonder whether some are questioning whether the balance of influence within the Union is representative.
 
DO. The bank shares are little goldmines if you ount puttingvery big goldmines into saving them.
 
That's puting it mildly.

The fact that the Tories couldn't get an overall majority despite all their money, almost blanket support from the print media and the wrong supposition that all the economic woes of the country was Brown related means they were the big losers in this election. Campbell has my full respect for not decking the pudgy faced twat.
 
he does some arm waving doesn't he

i remember him when he first started on TV..a right smug barsteward

he clearly used the situation to vent his pure hatred for Campbell...and yet Vine accuses Campbell of being confrontational..wtf...unreal...talk about people sticking together
 
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so much for all this..we have to think of the country... stuff from Nick Clegg...after talks breakdown with tories..whats the first olive branch offered by the tories to tempt them back?..they promise a referendum on electoral reform...making it really obvious that this the only thing the lib dems are bothered about

lib dems are losing all credibilty as days go by...their real priority is now clear for all to see...self self self
 
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it doesn't give much confidence in Cameron as a PM if he can't even negotiate an alliance with Clegg...how good is he going to be when he gets something really difficult to deal with..he's failing his first test here.
 
All three parties now look like dealers in a souk, haggling over the price of rugs. Really tawdry stuff from the lot of 'em. I'm voting for none of them next time - if there ever is a next time at this bloody rate.
 
we are seeing the true grasping face of them now Kri

a few weeks ago they were all arguing how different they were and how each of them would improve things..now they are all breaking their neck to tell us how similar they are so they can join togther to grasp power

its actually a very revealing process
 
All w*nkers

That bloody tosser Clegg is running around with a permanent boner lapping all this up and he was beaten out of sight.

Another election would see the Lib Dem vote disappear.
 
Bar the Bull said:
It's been said thousands of times before, but his party's share of the vote entitles him to a say in governing the country.
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If you use simple percentage of votes, every party is entitled to a say in how the country is governed surely?
Take the scenario of a Liberal/Conservative coalition; there would be no input from the Labour party, apart from shouting abuse in the House of Commons, but would their share of the vote not entitle them to a say in governing the country?
 
I have yet to see a convincing arguement for changing it, and I speak as one who has effectively been disenfranchised for most of my adult life.
 
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