The election 2015

colin

how stupid is this statement

hardworking???.deary me ..lets look at hardworking British Gas shall we?..they make 500 mill profit and lay off 6000 workers..that tells me the only hard working people there will be the workers

Where is the logic in that??? So "hard working" and essential that they can afford to be laid off then?

and this
You say JC openly supports terrorists..can you put a link up?..also Islam fawning..link please ..where he states these things very clearly

thanks

Cant even read back through the thread let alone the current news? not aware of corbyns links to hamas and the ira? Didnt poster even think for a minute to google it even if they do not ever watch the news of read a paper?

Surely if you have the self awareness that you do not follow current affairs in any shape or form would lead to taking the precautionary action of a quick search before dismissing perhaps the biggest story surrounding this candidate?

.keep saying Corbyn loves terrorists..say it every time you say

yes its all made up of course. unbelievable...

So yes...the word idiot does come to mind
 
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Making a profit then laying people off that helped make you that profit ,,and that being questioned ..isn't stupid to me you see..it tells me the mindset of those doing the laying off..they probably a similar mindset to you...who it seems just the natural thing to do..its leeching off others hard work then disposing of them when purpose served...some think thats big and clever..i personally don't..just expressing that view..sorry that i'm a complete moron having that view.

I watch the BBC News..Daily Poilitcs..PM's question times...i don't read newspapers though as it means reading views like yours in most of the sad tory press. I've yet to see JC say he loves terrorists and fawns over Islam..hence i asked for links.

I still woof you though Clive..even though i'm from an inferior species to you:)

re the IRA..you love the USA don't you?..I think they used to actually fund them..not just have links with them..that was ok then?
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

this will be the stuff you read and take in hook line and sinker..and yet i'm stupid

JC looks to me like someone who believes you will eventually have to talk to people to resolve problems

we had all this negative press with Tony Benn..oooh he loves the IRA because he wants to talk to them..the press had a field day..and all those that swallow their slanted views like you lapped it up...but when the Grey man Johnnie Major had secret talks behind closed doors with the iRA..for a very long period of time...in secret..he was some kind of a hero for helping resolve it..which was exactly what Benn got vilified for..and now Corbyn getting the same moronic treatment

its spoon fed bullshit for such as you to snort up and repeat as personal destruction of someone..

deary me Clive...is this the stuff you gobble up daily?...i mean really
 
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The first post makes no sense at all

Doesnt it ever occur to you that if a business can afford to lay off staff then there is no work for those staff to do? Have you any conception of this? if you ran owned and ran a business would you p[ay people to do nothing? have 100 staff rather than 80?

Is this really difficult?

As for the terrorists, try reading the thread. He CHOOSES to promote and "talk to" his "friends" in the islamist groups and in the past the IRA. I am certainly not going to go further but take a look at some of his other "friends". Ibrahim Hewitt for example
 
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clivex said:
Doesnt it ever occur to you that if a business can afford to lay off staff then there is no work for those staff to do? Have you any conception of this? if you ran owned and ran a business would you p[ay people to do nothing? have 100 staff rather than 80?
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In the first instance, lack of work is not why they are laying off the 6000 staff. Lack of profit is.

For the second question - if I ran and owned a business that was making £500m, I would consider it my social duty to maintain employment levels as they were.


You also haven't mentioned the fact that what tends to happens in companies where big lay-offs are made is that they remove services that they later discover they actually need and end up re-employing the same people, for more money (because they do it through agencies to try and hide the fact that they are employing more people again), to do the job they were doing before they got made redundant.
 
Wrong. Totally

for a start you cannot call either way whether they are laying off jobs which are needed or not. No chance.

The duty is to the shareholders. The shareholders are almost entirely pension funds and investment trusts. Who do they have a duty to? Everyone who has a pension . Whether it should be a nationalised industry or not is a differnet question but it isn't and that's taht

if they don't lay off staff then they have to put up prices. Want to pay to keep people in jobs deemed unnecessary?

no one likes job losses and can't underestmiate the impact but no one has an automatic right to employment.
 
It can't be lack of profit if they've made £500m profit, simmo.

Throwing around bare numbers when it comes to lay-offs is both pointless and potentially misleading. How many employees are being offered early-retirement? How many redundancies are voluntary? How many are compulsory? What support are they offering to those being made compulsorily redundant?

All these factors should be considered......though admittedly it's easier just to tarnish BG as capitalist ba*stards.
 
It never seems to occur that if you make it impossible for businesses to shed staff they will simply not hire them too? Obvious or not ?

and if a business is not prepared to take the risk of expansion, who loses?
 
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It never seems to occur that if you make it impossible for businesses to shed staff they will simply not hire them too? Obvious or not ?

and if a business is not prepared to take the risk of expansion, who loses?
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i never said make anything impossible...they have shed the jobs to bolster up one of their other interests..which must go down very well with people that will lose their jobs..even though the company they have worked for has made a large profit. its a matter of ...thanks..you have done really well but because we have cocked up elsewhere you pay with your job

at some point there is right and wrong about things..i get a bit tired of hearing the mentality that ..its a business...you can do an arsehole of a trick and get away with it under the banner of "its how a business is run"

i have no problem with people running a business just how the hell they want Clive....it doesn't affect me personally ....because like every other person in the 80% in this country..it matters bugger all how high interest rates are or what inflation is running at or who makes what profit..i never see a benefit from it..thats why i laugh when they announce..oooh inflations down...is it?..its never benefitted me..i don't really care...who gives a bugger really. I still don't like to see people treated unfairly..and will say so when i feel something is unfair.

Oil is at its cheapest at the moment..has petrol reduced relative to that in price?...its funny because it only has to rise a little bit and petrol goes up straight off to reflect the smallest increase. So it matters nothing to ordinary Joe what really happens..he will always pay the price at the shop or with his job.

When you have such as BG staff losing their jobs for doing their jobs right and making a profit..but a crap CEO somewhere does his job poorly and getting a massive golden handshake ...notice how there is always money for that. Well that seems to me that there is a fairety in business..so its not all cutthroat ..but it only extends to one level of worker...that fairety is that those at the top are very fair to ..cr@p at their job people at the top..but unfair to decent workers down the foodchain.
 
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I just don't get your rant. To say that 80% of the people in this country are not affected by inflation or interest rates is absurd for a start

also its ful,of the old envy at those who have made it to the top and the world owes me a living stuff that is straight out of the seventies. Can't be bothered with that. You sneer continually at the South for being "money grubbing" (which is a stupid generalisation... I for one could have earned much more sticking to the corporate world and creeping up the tree) but if that is the attitude in the north (and some of my northern family are full of that) then failure and bitterness is well deserved.
 
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I just don't get your rant. To say that 80% of the people in this country are not affected by inflation or interest rates is absurd for a start

also its ful,of the old envy at those who have made it to the top and the world owes me a living stuff that is straight out of the seventies. Can't be bothered with that. You sneer continually at the South for being "money grubbing" (which is a stupid generalisation, but if that is the attitude in the north (and some of my northern family are full of that) then failure and bitterness is well deserved.
 
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clivex said:
I just don't get your rant. To say that 80% of the people in this country are not affected by inflation or interest rates is absurd for a start

also its ful,of the old envy at those who have made it to the top and the world owes me a living stuff that is straight out of the seventies. Can't be bothered with that. You sneer continually at the South for being "money grubbing" (which is a stupid generalisation, but if that is the attitude in the north (and some of my northern family are full of that) then failure and bitterness is well deserved.
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they aren't affected Clive..because they struggle from one week ends to the next no matter what the supposed wealth of the country is..because wealth does not get shared with them when times are good...it just gets removed when times are bad

i don't envy people that put money before people tbh..why would i? I don't actually envy anyone..thats a young mans game...even then a waste of emotion.

Why would i personally be bitter?..i'm fine personally...just saying that people are struggling whilst others pretend the country is somehow flourishing isn't being bitter..its just comment...but its comment that the well off don't like as it twangs at what bit of conscience there is still left in there....what little bit of compassion still exists..if it ever did.

I'll give an example of how ordinary Joe's world doesn't sit in line with what we are spoonfed..since the election its been reported that altogether about 25000 people have lost their jobs...but i'll wager in the next month or so they will have figures showing that unemployment has fallen yet again..its just nonsense to 80% of people..when you hear rubbish like that it goes against everything that people actually experience.

Your problem Clive is you have a ..i'm alright and anyone that isn't is thick or lazy and a lesser being... attitude. You and your mates are doing ok so anyone that isn't is jealous. You have little feeling for anyone who isn't on the gravy train and look down on them. I don't envy that one bit tbh.

We aren't all in anything together..some are in it up to neck..always will be..others never have been in it at all.

Don't confuse that with bitterness..its reality..just comment ..passing an opinion
 
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Well if 80% of the population isnt affected by inflation then it will be perfectly reasonable to tell UNITE, Unison and all the other unions to **** off when they moan about pay rises "not in line with inflation" then?

Agreed?

Again this "money before people" is dreadfully naive. Keep people in "non jobs"? and frankly you or anyone else has absolutely no right at all to state whether Centrica is overstaffed or not. None whatsoever. You simply do not have the facts and no business anywhere, ever, should be compelled to carry staff it doesnt need. You simply dont understand that a fluid labour market and businesses ability to adapt to the economics CREATE jobs in the longer term.

and as for employment, you know better than the stats do you? The fact that the number of people in employment in this country is at its highest ever level? The fact that we have one of the lowest rates (if not the lowest) rate of unemployment in the Eu?

For someone who is stats driven to a pretty high degree in racing you do seem to pretty blithely dismiss when it doesnt suit
 
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clivex said:
and frankly you or anyone else has absolutely no right at all to state whether Centrica is overstaffed or not. None whatsoever.
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No one has stated that. And to suggest that no one has the right to make comment on the activities of a business is just nonsensical - by that logic we have no right to make comment on anything except those things which we personally control. Which makes this board redundant for a start. Utter bilge.

The facts in this instance are that Centrica have stated that they wish to remove people from jobs in parts of the business which are not currently as profitable as they would like. We know this because that is what Centrica have told us. Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that the redundancies are profit related. You believe that they have no social responsibility to maintain roles which are not currently profitable. Other people disagree with that assessment. One view is not any more stupid that the other IMO. They're just different views.

But we're still allowed to have those views. The Nazis only have a slim majority in parliament, it's not a dictatorship yet.

Interesting stats I picked up the other day. 52% of Conservative supporters and 74% of UKIP supporters want certain industries, such as Gas, to be renationalised. Apparently even Tory bumboys don't like it too rough up the arse.
 
Rubbish. Stop wasting my time

The laid off workers have been repeatedly referred to as "making a profit" and "hard working" on here. As if you and the others know exactly what their workload and productivity is

If Bgas can operate fully functioning with 6000 less staff then those staff are nothing more than an unnecessary overhead. Unnecessary overheads do not make a profit . full stop

They clearly believe they can function so its pretty clear that in their judgement there was not enough work to go round
 
the idea that businesses have a "social Responsibility" on or should even be obliged to keep non prodcutive staff, is simply ludicrous

If you think you are going to have a vibrant growing economy with businesses constantly hamstrung by such restrictions you are out of your mind. As i made very clear and even a five year old would understand NO business will invest if it forced in any way to retain staff and costs it does not need

If business doesnt invest or (more likely) relocates to better managed economies then everyone loses

Simple stuff
 
I didn't say they weren't affected Clive,.,, i said it made bugger all difference...a bit extra here..a bit less there etc..up a bit down a bit. It really does not affect the ordinary man.

I'll just demonstrate that..lets go back to the mid 80's..now its fair to say Clive that your boys on the trading floors were coining it in..the "country" would have been at a high if the news came on and told you just how well the country was doing. To anyone not around then..one measure of how well we were doing..well some... was reflected in the comedy of the time...we had Loadsamoney charcter on Friday Live..he was based on one of these southerner trader types..waving wads of money..worshipped it. On the other hand you had the northern character...buggarallmoney..Lance the Geordie plasterer with f@ck all.

But that aside..here is what would happen to anyone on this board with a mortgage..in these "boom" times you say that ordinary man will benefit from same as rich barsteward.....you would get a letter through the door telling you that unfortunately interest rates were now 15%..yes i haven't missed a decimal point out.

Basically you got a letter telling you if you didn't give virtually all of your wage to the mortgage company..you lost your home..now remember these were boom times that Clive says affects the ordinary man..oh yes they affect them alright..they are worse off ffs, Work that out.

You live in a dream world Clive..the ordinary man never benefits from when teh country is doing well..in fact..as shown in teh mid 80's..he pays with his home..as many people did...you forget about those lucky people who benefitted from us being a "wealthy"..at that time..country

its a load of brainwashing Clive ..whatever levels we are at..ordinary man only gets penalised..he never benefits...so wtf does it matter to ordianry people what figures they put out..you are shagged up arse in prosperity or austerity..its a proven fact
 
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clivex said:
the idea that businesses have a "social Responsibility" on or should even be obliged to keep non prodcutive staff, is simply ludicrous

If you think you are going to have a vibrant growing economy with businesses constantly hamstrung by such restrictions you are out of your mind. As i made very clear and even a five year old would understand NO business will invest if it forced in any way to retain staff and costs it does not need

If business doesnt invest or (more likely) relocates to better managed economies then everyone loses

Simple stuff
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you are it there you see Clive...vibrant growing economy...tell you what..they could use that at PM question time..just make sure each muppet tory that stands up fits that one in..yes a purler that is

it means nothing..we had a vibrant growing economy in the 80's..many people lost their homes through it..ordinary people are actually better of when we struggling like now..at least they have their home..unlike the "prosperous" ...for some ...80's

you really are deluded if you think the ecomomy makes any difference to everyday man..it clearly doesn't based on past performance..and the reason is simple..only sh1t runs downhill...the gravy is skimmed off the top whether the country is poor or rich.

its the carrot syndrome..with no f00king carrot...oooh we need to be economically viable..oh why is that then?..well when we are viable we shag you up the arse and take our cut off the top ...well what happens when we struggling then..we shag you up the arse and take our cut off the top....oh right guv..i'll work me arse off now i know that..thanks.
 
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clivex said:
Rubbish. Stop wasting my time

The laid off workers have been repeatedly referred to as "making a profit" and "hard working" on here. As if you and the others know exactly what their workload and productivity is

If Bgas can operate fully functioning with 6000 less staff then those staff are nothing more than an unnecessary overhead. Unnecessary overheads do not make a profit . full stop

They clearly believe they can function so its pretty clear that in their judgement there was not enough work to go round
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it's fairly clear from this post that you don't know what you're talking about with regard to this episode.
 
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it's fairly clear from this post that you don't know what you're talking about with regard to this episode.
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and it is abundantly clear you havent a clue about finances or business .

but answer the points or give up
 
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