The election 2015

With Jeremy Corbyn mania reaching high, I thought it might be worth checking oddschecker to see the market.

Burnham evens
Corbyn 9/4
Cooper 9/4

Looks like a shabby market with a big overround???

And there was me thinking I could now get a bit of value on Cooper....
 
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They are all up against it, Moe. There's no star candidate, so you could argue it doesn't really matter who they appoint.
 
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Walked through Newcastle City Centre on my way home from work and was handed a Corbyn for leadership flyer, has he got loads of money behind him or something? Seems very odd.
 
AliGupter said:
Walked through Newcastle City Centre on my way home from work and was handed a Corbyn for leadership flyer, has he got loads of money behind him or something? Seems very odd.
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He has the benefit of not being tainted with the neo-Conservative policies of Blair/Brown, which is getting him a lot of groundswell support. Whether that will get him elected is another thing entirely.
 
Why waste money handing out flyers for something that isn't a public vote though? Although I suppose in Newcastle you've probably got a higher proportion of Labour members than almost anywhere else.
 
Marble. You do write some drivel at times. Of course it matters who is elected. And as for not caring who is leader, you think a Man City fan would not care about Man utds results. Weird frnakly

The labour party has entered an end game now. It is finished. Even if they do not elect a leader who admires the economies of Greece and Venezuela ( by any measure, the two worst run in the developed world ) then the fact that he has got so much traction has blown it with the voters for some considerable time to come.

Decent smart intelligent party members such as the other candiadtes and the likes of Chucka and Hunt did not enter politics to simply end up in a student thicko protest party. It could be said that that is a selfish attitude but either way, they will be off

The hard left should have the guts to stand on its own two feet. It can have labour if it wants and go for the votes of those that believe in a command economy, open immigration and terrorism. There are possibly some votes to be had amongst those that havent been sectioned

Oh hang on...its does have the Socialist Rapist Party doesnt it?

The rest should break away and form an alliance with the liberals. Its the next logical step.
 
clivex said:
The labour party has entered an end game now. It is finished. .
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Which party leader candidate is going to turn this around in your opinion then, Clive?

As for talking shite, I saw a lot of potential in Cameron a few years back actually, and voted for him in 2010 as I saw no other alternative. I was happy for him to tackle the deficit but would never support years and year of ideological cuts aimed at reshaping society against the poorest. Not me.

I feel a bit like Nick Clegg now, a liberally minded person who had to vote for someone as there was no alternative.

You and many other Tories weren't that taken with Cameron at the time, and have slowly jumped on the bandwagon when you see his popularity improving and he subsequently lerches even more to the right.

That's the difference between me and you. I tend to see ahead of the curve, whilst you follow behind it. :)

On a serious note, of course it matters, but what I'm saying is there is no star candidate, and all of them are odds-against to beat Cameron at the next election. I think we'd agree on that wouldn't we?

I'd like to see Cooper get it personally, but if Corbyn resonates enough with people, then effectively he gives people like master Blair exactly what master Blair is requesting for, a labour vote winner...or vote builder...at least on top of the poor results Ed Milliband got.

I would find the notion of a Labour leader supporting every cut proposed by the Tories over the next five years bad for democracy.

You seem to think the best person to challenge the Tories for Labour is the one who would agree with them the most?

They don't need to arse lick Osbourne, they need to have their own vision for the future based on where they think the country will be at in 2020.

They're a million miles away from that at the minute, but the way forward is not to listen to conservative commentators like you, that is a dead cert.
 
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Fair enough! I don't know which candidate would be effective but that often isn't clear until they get the job

labour can oppose cuts under any leader but not in stupid idealogical grounds only. They should be treating the issue responsibly and voters will understand that.

the trouble with a lot of the labour debate has been the name calling that assumes that any candidate who doesn't want to heavily increase taxation and spending is "a tory" . It's a return to the juvenile militant stuff we had in the eighties. The electorate simply won't buy into that.
 
Fair enough! I don't know which candidate would be effective but that often isn't clear until they get the job

labour can oppose cuts under any leader but not in stupid idealogical grounds only. They should be treating the issue responsibly and voters will understand that.

the trouble with a lot of the labour debate has been the name calling that assumes that any candidate who doesn't want to heavily increase taxation and spending is "a tory" . It's a return to the juvenile militant stuff we had in the eighties. The electorate simply won't buy into that.

corbyn will be anything but a vote builder if he is voted in. It's not exactly difficult to rip apart someone who follows a failed ideology and even then, the English have always had very little real appetite for far left politics.
 
clivex said:
Fair enough! I don't know which candidate would be effective but that often isn't clear until they get the job

labour can oppose cuts under any leader but not in stupid idealogical grounds only. They should be treating the issue responsibly and voters will understand that.

the trouble with a lot of the labour debate has been the name calling that assumes that any candidate who doesn't want to heavily increase taxation and spending is "a tory" . It's a return to the juvenile militant stuff we had in the eighties. The electorate simply won't buy into that.
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I agree with most of this...but remember we're only just after the election and in the world we're living in now five years away is a long time, especially in politics.

It was almost the style of the waste that was actually worse than the overspend during the good years of New Labour, millenium dome projects and billions for a potential ID card system. :(

Do not forget how near we were to joining the Euro either, and that was more Blair's idea than Browns.

They got so many things wrong and you can't afford to do that at that level or you'll be punished, which is where the party is at now.

Ed Milliband only lost an election, to finish a party like Labour means that there are other causal factors.

I think what Blair did for New Labour, with the benefit of time and hindsight is way overrated.

Any half decent politican would have seized the moment after the Thatcher period and tryed to reach out to the centre ground.

Blairs problem was not his opportunism, charisma or leadership, it was his policies and the people he had around him, really.
 
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The other big issue is burnham. The problem is his origins

hwo can we have a leader turning up at the White house in a shell suit and then nicking the cutlery and God knows what else?
 
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Yeah ... it would be humiliating, it's not like you'd ever get an American President addressing a British Prime Minister with "Yo Blair" would you?
 
Last couple of days JC has been backed down to very clear favourite

This is incredible. I am still somewhat stunned that this party is so determined to settle for political suicide. On the one hand it is probably confirmation that they were totally unfit to govern if they had not failed so deeply in May and on the other it is simply going to split the party seismically.

Do they really think that they ever win power with the politics and economics or Greece Zimbabwe and venezuela? Are they mentally ill?
 
this is what happens when people are told something often enough though..Corbyn can win..corbyn can win

the problem also is that as a person he is the only one that isn't a cardboard cutout MP..policies aside..he comes across as actually not being a robot

I think the Blair clone MP creation years are now coming to bite Labour on the ar$e..people don't connect with his clones...we in Chesterfield made that decision when Tony Benn packed in and Blair tried to foist a clone on us against local party wishes..they lost a seat that had been safe Labour for donkeys years. Given a choice between human or bland robot..people will favour the human..nowt to dow with policies

i'd have thought it would have suited you and your party Clive..you will have 20 years + in power..maybe forever..unless of course people eventually get tired of eating baked beans every day and having to work 6 jobs just to do so.
 
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Thats where you and others are so wrong. He IS a clone. He is a photocopy 80s left wing bore whos position and bigotry on every issue is entirely predictable. He couldnt even distance himself from the incompetent Syrzia party in Greece. There is nothing in the slightest bit original about taking the entirely predictable line of backing the usual terrorists or just aboutb every left wing government in the world however aitocratic and frankly useless (invariably one or the other) as well as childish hatred of america and the jewish state

One leftish commentator, Oliver kamm, has described him as frighteningly disinterested in ideas out of that comfort blanket.

And the fact that he hasnt even run a ice cream van...

I believe that good opposition is good for any government but labour will lose the talent in Chukka, Hunt, Cooper and Kendall and left with what? that thick oaf Tom Watson?
 
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I believe that good opposition is good for any government but labour will lose the talent in Chukka, Hunt, Cooper and Kendall and left with what? that thick oaf Tom Watson?
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I'll ignore the first bit as generalistic Tory nonsense..and hopeless media brainwashing

talent..Chukka???..a man who has sat this out...no backbone..so no good whatsoever....Hunt..another spineless wonder..Kendall..talent?..you really are deluded if you think they represent an opposition..they could all join your money grubbing lot tomorrow and no one would spot it

they are the type of labour MP's that have turned people off the party..the fact you think they are credible tells anyone with any unce that they are no good for the Labour party when they get such tory support

if you want oppo..then creating a lite version of what you support is a nonsense surely?
 
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you really talk absolute crap dont you? you dont even grasp recent history let alone the current electorate

They turn "people off the party"? the Blairites? the right wing of the party?

Do they really

So how about winning three elections then?

how about the fact that labour is seen by 76% of all voters as EVEN LESS electable than under milliband at the last election? and the fact that labour was more to the left in the last election than since the eighties and guess what...got its worst result in that time.

So the solution is to drift further left? you couldnt make it up

losers can have their own party and sit whining about "money grubbing" (ie hard working) as much as they like.

But if you think a terrorist supporting, lslamist fawning, marxist is more credible to the country as a whole than the other candidates you are out of your mind
 
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i've always found that when a tory thinks you talk crap..you are doing ok:)

hardworking???.deary me ..lets look at hardworking British Gas shall we?..they make 500 mill profit and lay off 6000 workers..that tells me the only hard working people there will be the workers

its just plain old leeching off people..but you call it hard working..you are totally deluded Clive..a lost cause imo...leeching off the sweat of others isn't hardworking...its leeching.

You say JC openly supports terrorists..can you put a link up?..also Islam fawning..link please ..where he states these things very clearly

thanks
 
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Clive, isn't it possible for you to have a discussion/argument without you getting abusive?

I get the impression that you think anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of idiot!
 
if you look at Cameron though Col..he is similar to Clive..when he used to throw the personal stuff at Milliband about him being geeky and stupid...virtually every week he did it at PM's question time....its just the tory way...you bully and feed negative vibes about anything you don't agree with..say it often enough and eventually the electorate believe it..keep saying Corbyn loves terrorists..say it every time you say ..long term economic plan..northern powerhouse..and all the other moronic mantras the tories have..and people just buy it through boredom eventually.

you have to give it to the tories..they know how to bend public opinion..ooh if you vote Labour SNP will be in..Milliband is so pliable Nicola will p1ss all over him..that was the mantra before the election...they won just on that alone..well it certainly helped to stop people voting labour anyway.....the tories rule through fear..thats how they get power and keep it
 
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