The election 2015
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Surely they had to call nine nine nine?
I cannot see how you would avoid suffocation? Shes doesnt strike me as someone who would go gently and i would hope she used a bucket femfresh at the very least.
what if he got stuck?
I cannot see how you would avoid suffocation? Shes doesnt strike me as someone who would go gently and i would hope she used a bucket femfresh at the very least.
what if he got stuck?
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simmo
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Still not repulsing me as much as anyone ******* David Mellor, Chelsea shirt or otherwise.
Ha. the lefties trying to find their equivalents.
Bypass ......
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-mp-jess-phillips-told-10076172
This made me laugh.
Bypass ......
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-mp-jess-phillips-told-10076172
This made me laugh.
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tiggers1972
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Wonder if Abbot sang it's raining men while they were at it!
This thread has finally sunk to my intellectual level
A squeeze of Nicholas Soames (who makes Miss Abbott seem positively waif-like) described a jump with him as 'like being hit by a falling wardrobe with the key still in it'
Seriously folks...although I don't share Corbyn's ideology I do find his promotion refreshing and it's rekindled my interest in party politics. Cometh the hour, cometh the man...so I do hope he and his new cohort do manage to form a credible opposition. Some of the government's cost-cutting initiatives - necessary though they might be - are tough - very tough - will hurt many and they certainly need to be held to account
The contenders who stood against Corbyn were essentially a second-rate remnant of tired old 'new' lost-their-way Labour second division Tories: those who were demolished at the election. There's little chance of a bunch of near-believers giving a bunch of believers a hard ride: a bunch of ardent non-believers just might
A squeeze of Nicholas Soames (who makes Miss Abbott seem positively waif-like) described a jump with him as 'like being hit by a falling wardrobe with the key still in it'
Seriously folks...although I don't share Corbyn's ideology I do find his promotion refreshing and it's rekindled my interest in party politics. Cometh the hour, cometh the man...so I do hope he and his new cohort do manage to form a credible opposition. Some of the government's cost-cutting initiatives - necessary though they might be - are tough - very tough - will hurt many and they certainly need to be held to account
The contenders who stood against Corbyn were essentially a second-rate remnant of tired old 'new' lost-their-way Labour second division Tories: those who were demolished at the election. There's little chance of a bunch of near-believers giving a bunch of believers a hard ride: a bunch of ardent non-believers just might
Don't agree with last para drone. The research has pretty clearly shown that they lost last election because of the drift to the left. Millibands tin ear to business and the Middle classes was key.
I get get a bit fed up with the assumption in certain circles that "commitment" "principles" and "authenticity" is somehow how more virtuous. Pol pot Stalin hitter etc
bollocks
a belief in the centre is every bit as real as a belief in extremes . It is probably far more thoughtful and certainly a lot less bone headed than the ukip right and the far left who frankly are indistinguishable in their tiresome knee jerk stupidity as well as many beliefs
i would lay any money that cooper has a far better grasp and far more strongly thought through beliefs and understanding of issues than the dreary 80s photocopied trot, who for all the novelty value has proved to be a bit of a plank so far ..
pmq needs someone hammering away at cqmeron not asking a question from Doris in Eastbourne about why her colostomy bag keeps bursting
I get get a bit fed up with the assumption in certain circles that "commitment" "principles" and "authenticity" is somehow how more virtuous. Pol pot Stalin hitter etc
bollocks
a belief in the centre is every bit as real as a belief in extremes . It is probably far more thoughtful and certainly a lot less bone headed than the ukip right and the far left who frankly are indistinguishable in their tiresome knee jerk stupidity as well as many beliefs
i would lay any money that cooper has a far better grasp and far more strongly thought through beliefs and understanding of issues than the dreary 80s photocopied trot, who for all the novelty value has proved to be a bit of a plank so far ..
pmq needs someone hammering away at cqmeron not asking a question from Doris in Eastbourne about why her colostomy bag keeps bursting
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Colin Phillips
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A view from an Irish journalist, Noel Whelan of the Irish Times.
It has been fascinating to watch the first days of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the British Labour Party.
His election says much about the anti-establishment and anti-austerity mood currently operating in British politics, which is similar to that reflected in the US presidential election and indeed to that apparent in opinion polls here in Ireland. The enthusiasm generated by the Corbyn leadership campaign, especially among the young, speaks volumes also of the hunger for authenticity in politics.
The relationship between Corbyn as Labour leader and the mainstream British media in these opening days has also been quite extraordinary and is worthy of study in its own right. Corbyn has not been willing or able to do political media relations in the highly-staffed and full access way most opposition political parties now do.
He is simply not prepared to engage in the long-established trade-off whereby, in order to avoid their media relations becoming the story, senior opposition politicians are required to engage with the media on the media’s terms. For his obstinacy the press has roundly punished him.
Typical self-regard
With typical self-regard the British media have made the change of opposition leadership about them. Large chunks of the news cycle have been given over to whether Corbyn’s media style, or lack of it, has already fatally damaged his leadership. It is no surprise that Corbyn has faced trenchant hostility from the Tory and Murdoch press since they oppose the politics he espouses. This week, however, even the coverage of him on the supposed fair or left of centre media has been over the top. Frankly, some of it has been disgraceful and undemocratic. It is as if the Oxbridge university elites, who dominate much of Britain’s political media, as they do much of Britain’s establishment politics, have determined that Labour is not entitled to elect a leader of his views.
Rather than adjusting to cover new politics of the type Corbyn has been mandated to practise, the media have turned Corbyn’s refusal to do media relations the old way into a failing on his part.
The media have wilfully been contributing to the Conservative characterisation of Corbyn as a likeable but extremist incompetent. Even the coverage on the BBC has fed into to this in some subtle and some not so subtle ways. BBC reports for example have taken to regularly describing Corbyn as the “left-wing leader of the Labour Party” leading to a series of entertaining online petitions for them to describe David Cameron as the “right-wing leader of the Conservatives”. The second item on BBC’s Newsnight two nights this week focused on whether Corbyn’s media style was undermining his efforts at new politics.
On Sunday evening, Corbyn, having chosen not to travel by chauffeur-driven car, was, when walking up the street, approached by a press posse and he dared to refuse to comply with the media’s presumed entitlement to a comment. When the cameras insisted on continuing to follow him Corbyn walked on in silence for as long as they continued to film him. The media then decided that this made him, rather than them, look rude.
At the Trade Union Congress on Tuesday, Corbyn delivered a speech which was very different in content from those delivered by Tony Blair, Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband at previous such events. Much of the subsequent media focus was on Corbyn’s style of delivery. It was wrong of him, the media pundits decided, not to use the autocue.
On Tuesday the media pounced on what they decided was the grave mortal sin of failing to sing along to the national anthem at a memorial service. This story dominated many of Wednesday’s front pages. It even led a serious journalist like Jon Snow in an interview to ask Corbyn the absurd question of whether he loved his country.
Although he has no experience of the parliamentary frontline, Corbyn’s approach of asking Cameron at Prime Minister’s Question Time real questions from real people about the issues most affecting their lives meant that he controlled both the format and content of exchange.
Punch and Judy show
He put issues such as homelessness, cuts in tax benefits for low-income families and services for mental health front and centre. Unfortunately most of the media could only see the Corbyn-Cameron exchanges through their usual lens of politics as a Punch and Judy show. Some of the media assessments were farcical; one commentator suggested that Corbyn erred because “the lack of intonation in his delivery during PMQs lacked the obvious full stops that act as a hint to the Labour benches to roar in approval”, missing entirely Corbyn’s point at the outset that the public desired less theatrical and more substantial parliamentary debate.Labour has certainly taken a risk in selecting Corbyn, but they have done so in a very democratic way. He is entitled to a fair hearing.
It has been fascinating to watch the first days of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the British Labour Party.
His election says much about the anti-establishment and anti-austerity mood currently operating in British politics, which is similar to that reflected in the US presidential election and indeed to that apparent in opinion polls here in Ireland. The enthusiasm generated by the Corbyn leadership campaign, especially among the young, speaks volumes also of the hunger for authenticity in politics.
The relationship between Corbyn as Labour leader and the mainstream British media in these opening days has also been quite extraordinary and is worthy of study in its own right. Corbyn has not been willing or able to do political media relations in the highly-staffed and full access way most opposition political parties now do.
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He is simply not prepared to engage in the long-established trade-off whereby, in order to avoid their media relations becoming the story, senior opposition politicians are required to engage with the media on the media’s terms. For his obstinacy the press has roundly punished him.
Typical self-regard
With typical self-regard the British media have made the change of opposition leadership about them. Large chunks of the news cycle have been given over to whether Corbyn’s media style, or lack of it, has already fatally damaged his leadership. It is no surprise that Corbyn has faced trenchant hostility from the Tory and Murdoch press since they oppose the politics he espouses. This week, however, even the coverage of him on the supposed fair or left of centre media has been over the top. Frankly, some of it has been disgraceful and undemocratic. It is as if the Oxbridge university elites, who dominate much of Britain’s political media, as they do much of Britain’s establishment politics, have determined that Labour is not entitled to elect a leader of his views.
Rather than adjusting to cover new politics of the type Corbyn has been mandated to practise, the media have turned Corbyn’s refusal to do media relations the old way into a failing on his part.
The media have wilfully been contributing to the Conservative characterisation of Corbyn as a likeable but extremist incompetent. Even the coverage on the BBC has fed into to this in some subtle and some not so subtle ways. BBC reports for example have taken to regularly describing Corbyn as the “left-wing leader of the Labour Party” leading to a series of entertaining online petitions for them to describe David Cameron as the “right-wing leader of the Conservatives”. The second item on BBC’s Newsnight two nights this week focused on whether Corbyn’s media style was undermining his efforts at new politics.
On Sunday evening, Corbyn, having chosen not to travel by chauffeur-driven car, was, when walking up the street, approached by a press posse and he dared to refuse to comply with the media’s presumed entitlement to a comment. When the cameras insisted on continuing to follow him Corbyn walked on in silence for as long as they continued to film him. The media then decided that this made him, rather than them, look rude.
At the Trade Union Congress on Tuesday, Corbyn delivered a speech which was very different in content from those delivered by Tony Blair, Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband at previous such events. Much of the subsequent media focus was on Corbyn’s style of delivery. It was wrong of him, the media pundits decided, not to use the autocue.
On Tuesday the media pounced on what they decided was the grave mortal sin of failing to sing along to the national anthem at a memorial service. This story dominated many of Wednesday’s front pages. It even led a serious journalist like Jon Snow in an interview to ask Corbyn the absurd question of whether he loved his country.
Although he has no experience of the parliamentary frontline, Corbyn’s approach of asking Cameron at Prime Minister’s Question Time real questions from real people about the issues most affecting their lives meant that he controlled both the format and content of exchange.
Punch and Judy show
He put issues such as homelessness, cuts in tax benefits for low-income families and services for mental health front and centre. Unfortunately most of the media could only see the Corbyn-Cameron exchanges through their usual lens of politics as a Punch and Judy show. Some of the media assessments were farcical; one commentator suggested that Corbyn erred because “the lack of intonation in his delivery during PMQs lacked the obvious full stops that act as a hint to the Labour benches to roar in approval”, missing entirely Corbyn’s point at the outset that the public desired less theatrical and more substantial parliamentary debate.Labour has certainly taken a risk in selecting Corbyn, but they have done so in a very democratic way. He is entitled to a fair hearing.
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Desperate Dan
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Thanks, Colin. An excellent and balanced article.
A truly awful article that doesn't even pretend to address the obvious chaos of dismal first week. How anyone can write such rubbish l without refering to the clear shambles over policy and the very fact that he doesn't even seem to know what the position of his party should be on major issues, is extraordinary
its a dismal sloppy piece that blames the media for his clear mistakes and incompetence. Does he think there should be a reporting ban?
not only that the writers ignorance of British politics is laid bare when comparing the position of Cameron and corbyn within their respective parties. The stupid writer is seemingly not even aware that Cameron is not from the far right of his oarty by any stretch of the imagination whereas corbyn clearly is from the vey far left. Should that not be refered to? What's the writer on about?
dont credit many with much insight on this forum Colin but thought you would know better than that
i cannot ever recall a leader who's taken over a party and been so unprepared. Suely never has any leader experienced such a shambolic week with numerous shadow cabinet members contradicting policy or even endorsing other appointments. Not even close.
thats not the fault of the media for fcks sake
its uniformed second rate drivel riddled with paranoia
its a dismal sloppy piece that blames the media for his clear mistakes and incompetence. Does he think there should be a reporting ban?
not only that the writers ignorance of British politics is laid bare when comparing the position of Cameron and corbyn within their respective parties. The stupid writer is seemingly not even aware that Cameron is not from the far right of his oarty by any stretch of the imagination whereas corbyn clearly is from the vey far left. Should that not be refered to? What's the writer on about?
dont credit many with much insight on this forum Colin but thought you would know better than that
i cannot ever recall a leader who's taken over a party and been so unprepared. Suely never has any leader experienced such a shambolic week with numerous shadow cabinet members contradicting policy or even endorsing other appointments. Not even close.
thats not the fault of the media for fcks sake
its uniformed second rate drivel riddled with paranoia
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tiggers1972
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Imagine if you have Putin, Trump and Corbyn as World leaders in 5 years time!
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Spot on. That was my first reaction to it also.
Bad article written by an ill-informed hack.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-represent-all-labour-national-anthem-debacle
yes. Scanned it again and it's worse second viewing.
this is more like it from an excellent writer in a paper that is sympathetic. You can tell he's toning it down but amongst other things, he makes the astute observation that "that photo" is all that many voters need to know.
yes. Scanned it again and it's worse second viewing.
this is more like it from an excellent writer in a paper that is sympathetic. You can tell he's toning it down but amongst other things, he makes the astute observation that "that photo" is all that many voters need to know.
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AliGupter
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Cameron then...
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Isn't performing a sex act with an animal -- even a dead one -- against the law?
Surely?
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Surely his most serious element of judgement was going having her on the back of a motorbike for two fcking weeks round East germany for christssake. Of all places and her shouting in your ear hole 24/7.Can you imagine?
i would rather spend two weeks in the isis caliphate
i would rather spend two weeks in the isis caliphate
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But, but, but, but, but, ............................
Taking off on a biking trip as a young man around Europe isn't an affront against morals, decency or good taste, tho', or is it?
Getting "blown" by a dead pig, on the other hand ......................
Taking off on a biking trip as a young man around Europe isn't an affront against morals, decency or good taste, tho', or is it?
Getting "blown" by a dead pig, on the other hand ......................
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But, but, but, but, but, ............................
Taking off on a biking trip as a young man around Europe isn't an affront against morals, decency or good taste, tho', or is it?
Getting "blown" by a dead pig, on the other hand ......................
im confused...
i thought she was still alive?