The Gold Cup 2010

Mullins seems to fancy having a go at the Gold Cup with him. Will be interesting to see how much of his old ability he retains.
 
If they could get Glencove Marina back to his best, I think he is capable of giving Kauto Star a big fright in a race like the King George - that would leave Cooldine able to go to Leopardstown. But it is of course a major "if". Still a young horse though.
 
SteveM said:
I think this horse is a bit overrated due to his running against Denman last season. I don't imagine Kauto will have too many problems with him. Notre Pere may be tougher to beat than MdB.
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Surley beating exotic dancer is the most solid grade 1 form going
 
Considering how little rain Haydock has actually received compared with what was expected, isn't 5/4 against on Kauto a bit of a steal?
 
Took 2.28 on the machine last night and will lay off half my stake at odds-on tomorrow. As a public horse he'll be monster punted.
 
Euronymous said:
Took 2.28 on the machine last night and will lay off half my stake at odds-on tomorrow. As a public horse he'll be monster punted.
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Sounds a perfect strat. A no lose play... I'm a bit greedier - medium win bet at 5/4... I'll leave it at that and hope Notre Pere can beat him for my TTF.
 
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SteveM said:
Considering how little rain Haydock has actually received compared with what was expected, isn't 5/4 against on Kauto a bit of a steal?
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I would have expected him to be 4/9 tomorrow so will have a bet. He seems to have gone fine on soft before and Haydock has missed the worst of the rain.
 
Hamm said:
I would have expected him to be 4/9 tomorrow so will have a bet. He seems to have gone fine on soft before and Haydock has missed the worst of the rain.
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Likewise. Unless something is wrong with him it will be astonishing if he is beaten off levels in this, surely.
 
I thought he was off colour for a while, from the Gold Cup, Aintree, Down Royal and then Haydock. Nothing to do with Sam Thomas for me.
 
Yeah, Down Royal was a bloodless victory which told us little either way. I remember at the time saying that he'd lost 3 of his last 4 and was probably declining. Cue two of his most impressive performances...
 
I thought the same. Fair dues to Nicholls, as often it seems he just has the best horses but it's very difficult i imagine to do what he did, bringing him back to his best. Similar situation now in some ways with Denman.
 
Hamm said:
I thought the same. Fair dues to Nicholls, as often it seems he just has the best horses but it's very difficult i imagine to do what he did, bringing him back to his best. Similar situation now in some ways with Denman.
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Denman started off very light last season, so they had nothing to work on. He's bulked up and heavier this season (which is a good thing) as they can work it off of him and see him reproduce his form of two seasons ago.
 
SteveM said:
Denman started off very light last season, so they had nothing to work on. He's bulked up and heavier this season (which is a good thing) as they can work it off of him and see him reproduce his form of two seasons ago.
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I'm expecting the 'real' Denman to turn up this season. That in itself wouldn't guarantee he could beat Kauto Star.
 
Putting aside any progression to come from his opponents, or any other external factor, the question I've asked myself is; can Denman run to a rating of 174?

Whilst he's certainly capable of such a rating on his very best form, I'm far from convinced that he can reach such giddy heights again. Certainly, his last three outings don't give much comfort that he can, and even if he can, he will very likely have to run to a rating in excess of 174 to prevail anyway.

Much as I admire him (and his connections for their fearless campaigning of him), I've never really been 'onside' with Denman - being too deep into the Kauto camp to flatter him too much. But I've looked at his Hennessy chances in a cold-blooded manner, and I cannot see how he can possibly win. How he is 5/1 jolly for this is beyond me.

PS. I'm a bit trousered - is what I've just posted in context? :D

Edit: Yes......yes it is. :cool:

PPS. Whatever happened to that wee chatbox dealie?
 
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