The UK Political Landscape

Desert Orchid said:
Just looking at the front page of the Metro as shown on the BBC home page.

"Defence sec: We kicked Russia's backside before... we can do it again"

So not only do we have a full-blown clown running our country, his defence secretary is clearly cut from the same cloth.

That must be one of the stupidest ever comments for a senior politician to make.
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I think he was referring to the Crimean War......
 
Marb said:
Because becoming neutral and declaring Ukraine will never join NATO is about the only thing that will prevent a war at the moment.

Given no NATO troops will be put on the ground and the nuclear option is not an option it just seems a missed diplomatic opportunity to me.

When are they supposed to be joining Nato?

It shouldn't happen for the sake of the whole worlds national security.

The West can still send them guns and tanks etc and arm them but they are not directly in Nato and never should be for the sake of the worlds national security so why not just say this to the Russians before they get invaded?
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Why should he be allowed to dictate to neighbours what they do and don't do? Where is the line drawn? You can't join Nato. Oh okay. You can't buy arms from other countries than the great Mother Russia... ah well...no no no cos we'll invade. Oh okay then. Belarus want to have a coalition and share resources. No no no cos we'll invade. Oh okay then.
Where would it end?
He's flexing his six pack and that's all it's really, sadly, about.
 
G-G said:
Why should he be allowed to dictate to neighbours what they do and don't do? Where is the line drawn? You can't join Nato. Oh okay. You can't buy arms from other countries than the great Mother Russia... ah well...no no no cos we'll invade. Oh okay then. Belarus want to have a coalition and share resources. No no no cos we'll invade. Oh okay then.
Where would it end?
He's flexing his six pack and that's all it's really, sadly, about.
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Yes, and unfortunately he’s got the biggest six pack in the world with no-one daring to use the “n” word.
 
Marb said:
Because becoming neutral and declaring Ukraine will never join NATO is about the only thing that will prevent a war at the moment.

Given no NATO troops will be put on the ground and the nuclear option is not an option it just seems a missed diplomatic opportunity to me.

When are they supposed to be joining Nato?

It shouldn't happen for the sake of the whole worlds national security.

The West can still send them guns and tanks etc and arm them but they are not directly in Nato and never should be for the sake of the worlds national security so why not just say this to the Russians before they get invaded?
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Maybe they should join the EU, and be provided with long range missiles to pepper Moscow.:ninja:
 
Some commentators think the United Kingdom's choice to leave the E.U is in some way comparible to Ukraine's choice to potentially join NATO!

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. These are two completely different situations with one now involving a war in Ukraine and a war that could spread over Eastern Europe right to our doorstep while the other was a democratically held referendum where the U.K voted simply to leave the E.U...are these really comparible?


Talk about talking out of your deluded arse crack...

Some people especially some remainers need to get a grip FFS.

I am one former remainer who doesn't LOL.
 
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Nato should have backed off and told Ukraine to **** off re joining nato. Putin is a strong Leader who would do anything to protect Russia or what is left of it.

What did Biden and co think was going to happen when they attempted to stab him in the eye......Putin would sit back and say go for it and why don't you stick a nuke up my ass while your at it?

The west fucked up and have put the lives of millions at risk. Biden has put another nail in his own coffin and won't even make it passed 2022/23 and his own people will have replaced him.

That's if they can afford to fill their cars with fuel to get to meetings.....All this crap about sanctions is not going to work and it would take years from them to affect Russia
as one guy said sanctions are not a magic bullet they take time to have any affect.

The USA had JFK who stopped the Cuban Missile crisis and Maybe Trump would have convinced Nato to back off..who knows

All Biden does is read scripts then runs like hell wothout answering a single question and they have the neck to call these events press conferences.

As Obama once said if there is going to be a **** up trust me Joe will be the one to do do it.
 
Found this on another site. I haven't checked any of it for myself but it might explain a lot.

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter?"
This is why Ukraine matters:
It is the second largest country in Europe by area and has a population of over 43 million persons - more than Poland by about 6 million.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters. That is why Ukraine's independence is important to the rest of the world.
 
Not sure that's relevant in this instance, Euro. Russia took control of Crimea back in the last war, and the Red Navy have always had other ports on the Black Sea (even after Ukraine became independent).

The reasons for this incursion are three-fold, imo.

Firstly, he wants to arrest any further NATO expansion on Russia's western flank, and Ukraine and Belarus are the only remaining bulwarks. If Ukraine were to join NATO, that would leave Belarus, and he probably knows that the Moscow-supporting autocracy there have been living on borrowed-time for a while now.

Secondly, he is a Cold War KGB relic, who has long thought the dismemberment of the USSR was a historical travesty.

And thirdly, he is a maniacal, bas*tard gone mad with power - as all dictators eventually do.

The thing I don't get is that he controls more wealth than anyone else on the planet. Why would he risk everything he has gained (putting aside the nefarious means by which he achieved that control), for something which is going to compromise that position? One can only assume that the fever has overtaken him, and he is no longer thinking rationally.....which is very worrying indeed.
 
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All the lads that owe their fortunes to Putin will now lose fortunes because of Putin. Good test of loyalty. The ill wind of unfettered greed might blow some good.
 
HawkWing said:
All the lads that owe their fortunes to Putin will now lose fortunes because of Putin. Good test of loyalty. The ill wind of unfettered greed might blow some good.
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I'm sort of hoping that's how it plays out, HW.......though to be honest, I think his ambitions - in real terms - are probably the restoration of a pro-Moscow Government in Kiev, and getting the message out that he won't hesitate to roll into (for example) the Baltic states, if there's any more expansion objectives from NATO. I hope that's the extent of his ambitions anyway.
 
Looks like standard US agitation pit enemy against enemy,see Azov battalion of Ukraine trained by CIA ..gaslighting by US which will be gratefully recieved by Putin..almost as though the whole thing was inevitable,taunt a dictator deliberately and look what happens and then move on..Been doing it all over the world for decades the US and UK..

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato
 
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gigilo said:
Looks like standard US agitation pit enemy against enemy,see Azov battalion of Ukraine trained by CIA ..gaslighting by US which will be gratefully recieved by Putin..almost as though the whole thing was inevitable,taunt a dictator deliberately and look what happens and then move on..Been doing it all over the world for decades the US and UK..

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato
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This well known highly reputable website is perhaps the source of of Putin's reference to drug crazed Nazis controlling Ukraine. His disinformation bureau possibly drew ihis attention to it. Quite likely as they might have sponsored it.
 
Possible talks happening between the Ukrainians and Russians from the viewpoint of the Ukrainians discussing their neutrality from NATO.

You see...we don't all talk shite on here.
 
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Tout Seul said:
This well known highly reputable website is perhaps the source of of Putin's reference to drug crazed Nazis controlling Ukraine. His disinformation bureau possibly drew ihis attention to it. Quite likely as they might have sponsored it.
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The battalion exists it's been on MSM ,doesn't really matter whether you like the website or not,at the end of the day its neoliberalism that has caused all the wars for their ends,it's always the US that gains and capitalism,regardless of what Putin does or doesn't do the US are in a league of their own on disinformation and starting wars..The list is endless..strangely we never seem to be bothered about those other wars(usually brown people's deaths)just the ones that effect us economically..The west are masters at subterfuge,as seen with out current corrupt government here,we denounce others as evil yet interfere in those that suit us,this moral high ground we take is laughable we are no better or worse..Probably worse when you look at Yemen,Afghanistan,Iraq etc etc the list is endless,but yeah those pesky russians lol..Neoliberals try to take the high ground and they are the worst people and always in denial as we must be the good guys..truly pathetic.
The fact Putin is doing this,is purely because he has a grip on our government and they are imbeciles,they are so corruptable and the same with the US trying to turn over an election result through their own president,friend to Putin Trump and they just casually break into the Capitol..Putin is taking advantage as he knows our governments are as corruptable as he is the KGB capitalist,.
 
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This obviously effects asylum seekers as well,(brown ones) but now white ones as well Ukrainians....
 
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Just listen to what the American Ambassador to Russia said,he almost defines it perfectly, capitalism enabled by liberals control and power over all resources but convince
your voters you're always the good guys and for the greater good,has worked for the last 100 years..It wouldv'e ended in an apocalypse if for not one intervention in Cuba,the scenario is similar in Russia and with NATO expansion he gives the Poland example,nuance not biased agendas..
 
Marb said:
Possible talks happening between the Ukrainians and Russians from the viewpoint of the Ukrainians discussing their neutrality from NATO.

You see...we don't all talk shite on here.
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talks tomorrow, but hard to see anything they' agree on.
Good to see the EU coming down harder, banning flights, turning economic screws, and financing weapons for the Ukraine; meanwhile the Russian lunatic threatens nuclear action - yeah, right.:lol:
 
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