If you put the winner up on the 'What are you backing today' thread, I agree. No issue whatsoever. Crow away till the cows come home. But this is Slim's thread, and he put the selection up last night. So regardless if it's a bumper race or an American football bet, it's a will win bet. And the vast majority on this thread will have backed it accordingly, as I did. I've no issue at all with Kauto and as I said above, I enjoy his interactions and I've no doubt he's a sound man. I just felt the timing of the post on the thread was a tad ill timed... No grudges here, We move on [emoji106]