2007 Departures - Horses In Training

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That's the third one killed by 4.00 o'clock at Newton Bloodbath Abbot today, and that's more than enough for me. I've switched off now, because I can't bear the thought the death roll might continue. SOUTHERNDOWN, lovely chestnut, 90th run, over on his neck at the last after running such a fluent race. Bollocks to it all.
 
That is me switched off too. Just having had a long phone con with Crazyhorse about why do we do this racing thing? :(

What a roller coaster racing is but so hard to give up.
 
I said "seemingly everytime" Diminuendo as it does seem to happen rather a lot, particularly on this thread.

I thought this was a thread to list fatalities rather than what it appears to have become? It is sad when a horse is killed, but at the end of the day they are here to do a job and were it not for that job they would not have been bred in the first place. This thread seems to be a long, long list of teeth gnashing, hand wringing and accusations (actual or implied) thrown at trainers/jockeys/owners for "killing" their horses. It just seems a bit much to me and I know I am not the only person who thinks the same about it.
 
I think for those of us who love racing, and the horses, it is like A. Down once said in the Post at the death of a NH horse. (But it is no different on the flat as I found to my pain, they are not safe either.)

You make some kind of weird pact with the Devil.
 
And it's about time you read why it's called 'Departures', Shadow! It's naturally going to include horses who die in training (d'uh!) but it's also to let each other know when horses have been retired out of training and gone off to do other things. I was trying to keep it a bit lighter in tone than just a roll of the dead. Christ knows how many times some forum members have to be reminded about that.

And we're all entitled to voice an opinion on whatever it is we feel contributes towards a number of the fatalities, aren't we? Does the whole forum have to comply with only the subjects and the attitudes you approve of, missy? You are so contentious these days! (And don't say you're not... ! )
 
I know it's called departures, I can read, Kri!

I think it does get a bit much though sometimes, it really does.
 
Not sure if mentioned. But Ludivico sadly died at Bath yesterday, fractured skull on stalls and broke neck, died instantly.

Girl from Milton Bradleys was in tears and i really felt for her, took the shine off a nice day out. Deepest sympathies to the owners and connections.
 
Sad news Chris there's been a few nasty stalls incidents of late - so much so I started a topic on it last month.

Howard Johnson had one caught up in the stalls (and I mean caught up) on Derby day I think it was at one of the lesser meetings - very disturbing to watch.


Any chance we can get the open topped stalls like they have at some tracks in Ireland?
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@Jun 11 2007, 12:49 AM
When I first saw TG he had plaster boots on his forelegs, quite literally. Georgie talked to me quite a bit about the horse and I followed his progress for around two years in the yard.

I was a pretty regular visitor there at the time, as I stayed a lot at Luke's pub; and I also had an 'interest' in two in the yard for the best part of a year when I belonged to a racing club which had two hurdlers there. I never got any sense that horses were regularly being broken down - or at all, come to that. Quite the contrary, from what I could see they were given plenty of time if they had niggly problems [which a high percentage of jumpers do as we all know] or even went out of form; and I don't recall any other horse in the yard having comparable problems to TG's. Nor do I remember Georgie losing any; whe was always insistent about using top jockeys [esp for younger horses] and that hers shoudl be ridden up with the pace to avoid pile-ups.

My connection with the yard was of course superficial. Maybe you worked there. I really don't want to get into a slanging match over this. I liked the horse a lot - he was as you say quality - and was bemused anyone would put him into training as a juvenile as he was such a very big scopey sort, made for jumping. I didn't even know where he'd been before.
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no i have no reason to get into a slanging match with u, just sometime it grates on me the rose tinted view u have of Lambourn how everythin is so nicey nicey and choclate boxy. the incident at the old cricket pitch has broguht it all into the publie eye but that sort of thing is happining all the time at my end of the villge.

I didnt work for georgie, my bf at th time worked in KL so i knew th e lads and girls dfrom hers andmy cousin worked for her on weekends (never got paid,or never even bought her a drink to say thanks either). Ever heard the saying "keep owners like mushrooms; keep them in the dark and feed them crap"? I know plenty of things that would make your toes curl, yes shes a good talker, that was a lot of her charm, she couldnt rtrain horses or organise the yardthats for sure. The jockeys she used had nothin to do with who was who was a top jockye

Mind you i was well out of the way not long after TG won his bumper so things might have changed. Before then thought i could give u a list of horses that broke down, owners who were pissed off and moved horses, owners who were pissed off with horses running shite and moving and them winning within a few weeks, one who turned up at oliler sherwoods looking ilike a hatrack and not eating for weeks. Its also indicitave that in the 1 year Boz has had TG he kept him sound and ran him (figres from RP) 14 times, yet she had him for 2 yrs and he ran 4 times.

Ok i've had my say, im goin ta finish now before i get banned!
 
If you 'know' it's called 'Departures', Shadow, why say you 'know' it's 'to list fatalities'? It isn't, although year after year there are plenty enough to list. Just because we don't all feel as matter-of-fact about horses' deaths as you do, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be regretted and discussed by those who wish to do so. I feel that such time has more meaning in the context of a horseracing forum than your bellowing insults about caravanners, but each to our own particular interests, eh?
 
My 14yo Southerndown that ive cheered on practically every time hes run for the last god knows how long???

Bless him - at least he was doing what he loved....

:(
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jun 11 2007, 02:26 PM
That's the third one killed by 4.00 o'clock at Newton Bloodbath Abbot today, and that's more than enough for me. I've switched off now, because I can't bear the thought the death roll might continue. SOUTHERNDOWN, lovely chestnut, 90th run, over on his neck at the last after running such a fluent race. Bollocks to it all.
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:( cry

Sometimes it seems too much to take ! RIP, old boy!
 
This thread serves a great purpose to ground me every time I have a great days racing. Every night or morning I read about those poor horses who sadly didn't make it. It, for the most part, gives a blanced view and gives everyone (who is interested in the sadder side of this sport) the opportunity to add their comments.

If you don't like it, don't read it, for me it is normally the first thread I read if a addition has been made.
 
Originally posted by krizon@Jun 11 2007, 03:26 PM
SOUTHERNDOWN, lovely chestnut, 90th run, over on his neck at the last after running such a fluent race. Bollocks to it all.
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I am pretty hard-nosed about the realities of the game, but this old boy (never won a penny on him) was one of my favourites. He would plod away all day and this run showed that he was still competitive at 14. A real shame.
 
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I couldn't see this has been mentioned anywhere else on the forum.

Courtesy of The Racing Post.

Derby winner Commander In Chief dies aged 17
by Tony Elves
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COMMANDER IN CHIEF, the Derby winner of 1993, whose career lasted only six races, has died at the age of 17.

Reports from Japan indicated that the son of Dancing Brave sustained an injury when out in the paddock at the Yushun Stallion Station, and was put down on Tuesday.

His career at stud did not reach the heights of his racing exploits, which came to a head at Epsom on June 2, 1993 when, as a 15-2 shot, he stormed home by three and a half lengths under Mick Kinane from Blue Judge, with Blues Traveller a further two and a half lengths back in third.

Victory was far from the expected outcome for trainer Henry Cecil, as he also saddled the odds-on favourite Tenby, who trailed home in tenth under Pat Eddery.

Cecil garnered many plaudits for Commander In Chief's decisive victory as he was a late foal, born on May 18, who had not raced as a two-year-old.

Despite a late start, he won two minor races at Newmarket in the spring of 1993 before announcing his Derby claims with a win at the Dante meeting at York in the Glasgow Conditions Stakes, staying on strongly to beat Needle Gun by a neck.
After Epsom, Commander In Chief came out best in a showdown with French Derby winner Hernando by three-quarters of a length to win the Irish Derby at the Curragh, this time with Eddery in the saddle.

The Khalid Abdullah homebred was to race only once more. Sent to Ascot for the King George and sent off the 7-4 favourite against older horses for the first time, he could finish only third to Opera House and White Muzzle.

Cecil, for whom Commander In Chief was a third Derby win after Slip Anchor in 1985 and Reference Point in 1987, was saddened at the news on Friday.

He said: “I am very sorry to hear of the death of Commander In Chief - he was a good Derby winner.

“He never ran as a two-year-old and to go and win the English Derby and Irish Derby as a three-year-old was quite a feat.

“I know he gave Prince Khalid Abdullah tremendous pleasure being by Dancing Brave who was very unlucky not to win the Derby and out of his great mare Slightly Dangerous who was the dam of the likes of Warning and Yashmak among others.”
 
Homer - yes, he was going for the last with ears pricked, had put in a faultless round, was measuring it, and why ever he tipped over headfirst I don't know, but I haven't watched any jumps racing since and I'm not anxious to do so any time soon. You can see so much in the flesh, so much on tv, and then... it's time to switch off.
 
Well, I know the headline is "Horses in Training" - but we have been adding other horses all the time: just read that Laurel Queen died at the age of 19.

There actually has been a book about her, too.
 
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