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because the trainer and jockey have clearly stated that to be the case. frankly he has never to my eyes travelled as well at kempton and he has also flopped at right handed exeter.

there was a fine analysis from the excellent alan potts a few years back explaining why nearly every horse has a left right bias. its more pronounced with some more than others of course, but its there. its not simply about how they jump

he is the perfect example of a horse who relishes cheltenham.

hes all of two and a half months older than his supposed best ever performance.

yeah right, age is against him.
 
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clivex said:
because the trainer and jockey have clearly stated that to be the case. frankly he has never to my eyes travelled as well at kempton and he has also flopped at right handed exeter.

he is the perfect example of a horse who relishes cheltenham.

hes all of two and a half months older than his supposed best ever performance.

yeah right, age is against him.
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The perfect example apart from Vautor and Don Poli that is!!

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Brennan has never ridden him at Cheltenham, so his opinion is worthless......and the trainer thinks the horse could beat a Ferrari over 200 yards from a standing-start, so take whatever he says with a pinch of salt.

The reason he has never travelled as well at Kempton before is down to his breathing operation, you dipstick. It's the same reason why he had never travelled as well in the Betfair Chase in previous seasons, as this one.
 
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The perfect example apart from Vautor and Don Poli that is!!

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Don poli is so slow he will be lapped

yes i will take the trainers word over a guesser on a forum and brennan did ( i am fairly sure) state that he didn't travel as well as he can in the kgv. he has ridden him left handed hasn't he? compare left and right hand records too maybe?

im an ever increasing believer in horses for courses and there is no doubt he relishes cheltenham. whether he will get the last two furlongs we shall see but at price it makes sense.
 
I agree about the LH RH bias with horses..been breaking form using that particular criterion amongst others for years..I don't feel Cue Card has a preference though

..if you look at when he was ok early in his career..he won by 26 lengths at Exter..6 lengths at Ascot..and now he isn't injured wins a KG

i just think the trainer has it in his head he don't want RH..can't see it mesen
 
clivex said:
Don poli is so slow he will be lapped

yes i will take the trainers word over a guesser on a forum and brennan did ( i am fairly sure) state that he didn't travel as well as he can in the kgv. he has ridden him left handed hasn't he? compare left and right hand records too maybe?

im an ever increasing believer in horses for courses and there is no doubt he relishes cheltenham. whether he will get the last two furlongs we shall see but at price it makes sense.
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The reason he didn't travel as well as he can at Kempton, is because she was in against Vautour, and not Dynaste. ;)
 
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why do you go off like that Clive?.. if you think folk on forums are such thickos..why do you bother reading and posting

its the same attitide i hear from many in the racing media.
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I don't mind, and Clivex knows it. It's all part of the game.
 
lets hope every other bugger on here does know what he is like...i know what he is like..others might not..for those that don't know him..the US presidential thread is a good point to start:)
 
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why do you go off like that Clive?.. if you think folk on forums are such thickos..why do you bother reading and posting

its the same attitide i hear from many in the racing media.
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i get tired of reading how trainers seemingly have no idea about their horses strength but it can all be worked out on fcking excel.

how many were posting here that tizzard was some sort of country bumpkin idiot for stepping cue card up to three miles?
 
well don't read it then you muppet:)

its a bit like me going on a car forum..and posting..ooh i'm sick of reading about cars

others might think that folk that hang on trainers every word are a bit mindless..its swings and roundabouts really isn't it?..spreadsheet shite..trainers spouting shite..its all shite if you want to view it like that to knock at folk on here
 
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well don't read it then you muppet:)

its a bit like me going on a car forum..and posting..ooh i'm sick of reading about cars
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i dont. but you and grass are like two old uncles that dribble away and keep making nasty smells. everyone sort of looks at each other and shrugs .you try to ignore but eventually someone has to say something don't they?
 
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i dont. but you and grass are like two old uncles that dribble away and keep making nasty smells. everyone sort of looks at each other and shrugs .you try to ignore but eventually someone has to say something don't they?
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I'm not having that Clive..i might smell but i'm not having the dribbling bit
 
Kauto Abu said:
Ya sure. You prefer the left hook or the right hook? Let me guess, the left :)

PS. Cue Card wont stay but don't tell anyone I told ya :)


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if he doesn't vautour won't. there is always a doubt with any step up . of course there is but one thing that seemingly hasn't been noted anywhere is that many a horse will stay more and more as they mature. fwiw i think he will
 
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I convinced Vautour wont either. I've been saying it since the KG here. I had CC for KG myself but they way they both finished out the race turned me for GC. You need a dour stayer. If DC had to stay up he'd have won it I think with a tad to spare. Jumped ahead of CC when he crashed out at second last.


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This thread has descended into personal attacks on my personal hygeine, and I will have no further part of it until I'm over things.

Ah....there we go....all better.
 
There are 20 races in Cheltenham before you have to open your paper in the Friday and work out the Gold Cup. Last year and previous years the going has changed on the Friday so I think it's pointless being dogmatic about it right now given the depth of the race.

FWIW Cue Catd has been best backed for cash since Xmas.
 
This is how I see it in my mind currently:-

1. Vautour or Don Cossack
3. Cue Card
4. Djakadam












Don Poli
 
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