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Blimey, Slim, and I thought I had cause to cry Hope you had a bit of place money to ease the pain
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Blimey, Slim, and I thought I had cause to cry Hope you had a bit of place money to ease the pain
And so did I.
A 7yr old and so many over 11st in the places was not good for me.
Rule the World was a maiden not a novice ( I think). Coko Beach ran well for a 7 year old, too. The race is definitely totally different to how it used to be.
Hard to take, Slim; particularly behind a 50/1 shot. Layers cleaned up, before and afterwards.
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Tanlic
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Me too all I could think about in the closing stages was Slim has got this
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Should be disqualified, then.
I wouldn't want to be a cat anywhere near Slim this morning. I would find it particularly hard to take but I was wondering if the jockey on the runner-up broke the rules too?
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Just wanted to apologise to Slim for this remark. I was too wrapped up in my opposition to the horse as a value bet to appreciate what was riding on the outcome.
It’s tough to take a loss when the jockey on the winner has broken the rules even when I had only a very tiny fraction of the amount Slim had on Any Second Now.
Also felt cheated in the Foxhunter at Cheltenham when I’d backed the 2nd and Patrick Mullins got several days for his ride on the winner
A change in the rules to make punishment for whip abuse more meaningful can’t come soon enough IMO. A nine day ban and £400 fine for SWC is frankly laughable. Of course the ban means nothing as he’s now retired
Plenty will say the owners shouldn’t suffer because of the actions of the jockey but I don’t think they should benefit from rule breaking either
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I've been banging on about this for ages.
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The industry has tried all other punishments to stop jockeys knocking horses about, and none of them have worked. Disqualifying the horse would definitely work. Everyone connected with the horse would have an interest in making sure the horse isn’t whipped excessively. I’d ban the whip anyway, only to be used for corrective purposes.
No apology required. I read the post while sober and took it in the manner you meant it. Now had I seen it at 1am this morning...
The winner winning like a young unexposed type has certainly affected my opinion of the type of horse needed for the modern day Grand National.
It was the equivalent of a flat horse running in three maidens then stepping up to win the Ebor or some other showcase handicap.
At least next year I know what I am looking for!
It was the equivalent of a flat horse running in three maidens then stepping up to win the Ebor or some other showcase handicap.
At least next year I know what I am looking for!
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Owners suffer when jockeys break other rules and see their horses disqualified, so why not whip rules. Nothing would stop it quicker than causing owners pain.
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Well yes would think so but as he's retired pretty pointless ban?
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I should have backed it but forgot to add the note 'nov' to my rating. Last year Farclas was a similar type who ran fifth and whom I fancied to win this year. I noted in my pinstickers' guide that he might be one to watch out for in next year's race.
All that studying, number-crunching, reasoning, typing, debating and Mrs O and Orchidette both back it (I got them 66s) because they're English teachers and are fans of the Irish poet. Made me look a right fanny.
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I've watched the race again and had a look through the result.
It looks to me like the first four have pretty much run to form and everything else, for whatever reason, has underperformed to varying degrees, probably due to a lack of stamina as opposed to being badly handicapped.
A couple of points, though:
Earlier in the thread I said I looked for something that had the class to post at least a 160 rating. RPRs go 160 for Noble Yeats and 170 for ASN.
They only go 156 for Delta Work but also not far back in the thread I said I went for half a point/pound per length (as opposed to one per length. If you take Delta Work's 22L defeat as 11lbs, it puts him on a rating of around 162, within a pound of what I'd said was his performance in the x-country.
Santini has run to around the same mark as his two previous runs so the conclusion has to be that this is now his level. Personally, I think they should either retire him or send him down the hunters route.
This was as much a case of last man standing as of two great horses being so much better than the others.
The chances are Noble Yeats will go up to 160 for the win. Any less will be a bonus but the chances are when/if he turns up next year that will be his mark, which would be around the 11-9 mark in this year's race. But he'll be a second-season novice next year and could well improve 10lbs by then, which would put him the same ball-park as yesterday. I'd say even at this early stage he has to be short-list material to double up.
It looks to me like the first four have pretty much run to form and everything else, for whatever reason, has underperformed to varying degrees, probably due to a lack of stamina as opposed to being badly handicapped.
A couple of points, though:
Earlier in the thread I said I looked for something that had the class to post at least a 160 rating. RPRs go 160 for Noble Yeats and 170 for ASN.
They only go 156 for Delta Work but also not far back in the thread I said I went for half a point/pound per length (as opposed to one per length. If you take Delta Work's 22L defeat as 11lbs, it puts him on a rating of around 162, within a pound of what I'd said was his performance in the x-country.
Santini has run to around the same mark as his two previous runs so the conclusion has to be that this is now his level. Personally, I think they should either retire him or send him down the hunters route.
This was as much a case of last man standing as of two great horses being so much better than the others.
The chances are Noble Yeats will go up to 160 for the win. Any less will be a bonus but the chances are when/if he turns up next year that will be his mark, which would be around the 11-9 mark in this year's race. But he'll be a second-season novice next year and could well improve 10lbs by then, which would put him the same ball-park as yesterday. I'd say even at this early stage he has to be short-list material to double up.
There was allowances during COVID. It's all noise.
Handicapping is subjective. Needless to say I don't agree.
Tell me what the handicapper would have done had Noble Yeats not been in the race? The idea Any Second Now ran to his mark is just bollocks. He'd be rated 170 for beating the 3rd 20l. Michael O'Leary has a point.
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