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Ante-Post Punting Plans/Propositions Thread.

Agree on West Cork, just hasnt took to fences at all but took my money a cpl of times trying

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Apparantly Peter Niven doesn't think Cheltenham will suit Malystic, and might look at races like the Game Spirit or Red Rum Chase at Aintree later in the season. Glad I have read that quote.
 
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Euronymous said:
A few of us were on Gunsight Ridge when he won recently and over course and distance (but faster ground I imagine) he is worth a go in a weaker looking race this Saturday. Main oppo seems to be Frero Banbou who won a terrible race at Lingfield lto and some Skelton bottom weight.
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Marb said:
I can't have this. I hope Frero Banbou franks the form of the last day myself. He may just blow his own grand annual mark while making Eclair D'ainay look well handicapped. That's my hope.
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https://www.racingpost.com/results/54/sandown/2022-02-05/802208

A year on and Dolos and Frero Ballbag are here again as is Eclair D'ainay. I can't have any of them. Dolos is old as balls, Frero needs further than two miles and Eclair is a soup monster. I'm half tempted by Third Time Lucki of all things although Red Rookie might be safer.
 
Ascot Chase:

Fakie 7/4
Shish 5/2
Pic D'Orhy 7/2
Hitman 7/1

Hitman the obvious bet here. King George not the race for him, GA Law continues to frank the Aintree run. Stablemate a danger, Fakir was all-out to beat Two for Gold last year. No interest in Shishkin.
 
Hitman is a mutt.

5/2 a fair price to test whether Shish has recovered from the setbacks. Two runs back, he'd have been 1/4 to beat this lot, and I have absolutely no trip concerns.
 
Just looked at the Champion Hurdle betting after State Man beat Honeysuckle.

William Hill have cut Constitution Hill to 1/4 while others offer 1/3 and to top that they go 5/2 State Man while others offer 3/1

I doubt if they have taken 100 quid for either horse...miserable bastids.

Have to wonder what Nicky Hendeson will do now with Epatante. At best I would think she would finish 3rd but the prize money for that is better than finishing 2nd in the mares.

I still think as I have been saying for months there must be a chance he switches Maries Rock to the Stayers. Her price has dropped like a stone from 10's and 8's ro as low as 5's so most bookies are prepared to risk it.
 
Euronymous said:
Ascot Chase:

Hitman the obvious bet here. King George not the race for him, GA Law continues to frank the Aintree run. Stablemate a danger, Fakir was all-out to beat Two for Gold last year. No interest in Shishkin.
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Grasshopper said:
Hitman is a mutt.
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Pumpkin (I should have seen this coming) has put him in the Denman and thankfully my Ascot Chase possie was with Denise so I've managed to cash out.

He's 13/8 so obviously opposable with Eldorado Allen in at 7/2 and Fanion 9/2. The Tizzard has a hefty penalty to shoulder so I'm drawn to Venetia. I liked his run in the Rowland Meyrick and feel a small field Graded race over a track he loves suits. No bet yet though as she's got him in a handicap on the same day.
 
Euronymous said:
Pumpkin (I should have seen this coming) has put him in the Denman and thankfully my Ascot Chase possie was with Denise so I've managed to cash out.

He's 13/8 so obviously opposable with Eldorado Allen in at 7/2 and Fanion 9/2. The Tizzard has a hefty penalty to shoulder so I'm drawn to Venetia. I liked his run in the Rowland Meyrick and feel a small field Graded race over a track he loves suits. No bet yet though as she's got him in a handicap on the same day.
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Without knowing the precise nature of the penalty structure, I am enamoured with Does He Know myself. The forecast ground will very-much suit him (Fanion D would want it softer, no?).

Market clearly doesn't expect Corach Rambler to run.
 
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Greaneteen odds on this Saturday for the Game Spirit chase but I am tempted to take him on. All his big wins have come at right handed tracks such as Ascot, Sandown and Exeter.

So he does actually appear to be a right handed track specialist. I think he's a stone lesser horse on a left handed track so then I look at a horse like Malystic in the form of his life after a good win off top weight in a class 2 handicap at Doncaster last time out.

I was wanting to see him in this years Grand Annual but trainer Peter Niven says he doesn't want to run him at Cheltenham again as the horse doesn't like the place. Although he did scope badly after that Cheltenham run.

There's no reason Malystic can't improve again and he receives 6lbs from Greaneteen aswell. I will wait until Saturday to see if I can get 10 or 12s. I might be proved very wrong but you can't doubt I have a hypothesis on this race. :)
 
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chaumi said:
I think his main season target is the NH Challenge Cup (and have already hung my hat at 25s)...with the National next year. I believe they've deliberately kept his status for the long-distance Festival race.
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Derek O'Connor riding it at Uttoxeter tomorrow.getting used to him ready for the Nh challenge cup.
You have a nice price there Chaumi.
 
Grasshopper said:
Without knowing the precise nature of the penalty structure, I am enamoured with Does He Know myself. The forecast ground will very-much suit him (Fanion D would want it softer, no?).

Market clearly doesn't expect Corach Rambler to run.
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Notwithstanding the 3lb penalty Does He Know appeals each way at 13/2 with SkyBet paying 3 places if 6 or more run


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Marb said:
Greaneteen odds on this Saturday for the Game Spirit chase but I am tempted to take him on. All his big wins have come at right handed tracks such as Ascot, Sandown and Exeter.

So he does actually appear to be a right handed track specialist. I think he's a stone lesser horse on a left handed track so then I look at a horse like Malystic in the form of his life after a good win off top weight in a class 2 handicap at Doncaster last time out.

I was wanting to see him in this years Grand Annual but trainer Peter Niven says he doesn't want to run him at Cheltenham again as the horse doesn't like the place. Although he did scope badly after that Cheltenham run.

There's no reason Malystic can't improve again and he receives 6lbs from Greaneteen aswell. I will wait until Saturday to see if I can get 10 or 12s. I might be proved very wrong but you can't doubt I have a hypothesis on this race. :)
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Took him on with the wrong one, it turned out.

Nevermind.
 
Haven't looked yet at what's happened to Mister Coffey's odds for the long-distance race at Cheltenham (was 25's for a long time)...but today's effort had the look of a nice line up. First race out of the way, likely it's all systems go.
 
Today was balls. Eldorado Allen and Hitman both not strong stayers at the trip and the jockeys on both decided to fight it out for the lead - hence a shithouse handicapper wins.
 
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Today was balls. Eldorado Allen and Hitman both not strong stayers at the trip and the jockeys on both decided to fight it out for the lead - hence a shithouse handicapper wins.
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This was the race I enjoyed most today and I had Zanza in the Lucky 15. Out of form horses short of top class at the head of betting, I had to find something to take them on with.

Zanza romped home. Glad I ditched my first pick Sam Brown in favour of the Zanz!

I ended up disappointed I couldn't get anymore at Newbury as Annual Invictus, Venetias winner and the Betfair winner all felt getable (in hindsight anyway).
 
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chaumi said:
Haven't looked yet at what's happened to Mister Coffey's odds for the long-distance race at Cheltenham (was 25's for a long time)...but today's effort had the look of a nice line up. First race out of the way, likely it's all systems go.
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Now 10s chaum. I took 12s and you have a good price 25s.
 
The Eider Chase is at Newcastle on Saturday. This is one handicap chase where quite lowly rated chasers can run in the race.

I feel there could be something towards the bottom of the handicap that has been laid out for this race.

With this in mind what about Young Bull?

He has no right to really run in this race based on what he has done in staying chases - I don't think he has even been seen in a chase beyond 3 miles, let alone the 4M1F this entails.

He was a really smart novice hurdler though, winning three races on the bounce in convincing fashion in 2019.

Since then he has been seen in five chases, there or thereabouts in most of those, with a one year gap away from the track.

Basically I don't think we have seen anywhere near his true potential over fences, so in summary Harry Whittington might have him spot on for this, now in a more valuable race, off this really workable chase mark. I just wonder if he is worth a bet if declared.

He could be so well handicapped. Maybe worth keeping an eye on the betting market aswell.
 
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Taking a chance on the Young Bull tomorrow each way in the Eider and pleased to see him shortening in the betting. Maybe that will continue tomorrow. It's a stab in the dark with his lack of staying distance form but I think he could be very well handicapped and the first time cheekpieces might work the oracle.
 
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There's an interesting handicap chase at Newbury on Saturday and Zanza (doubly entered) heads the market off an eye-watering mark of 158. I know he loves Newbury but that's at least ten pounds higher than he should be and whilst I was initially a bit disappointed War Lord was entered and jocked up as I've got a nice price about him for the Plate I think he's worth a go at 9/1 for this. He ran ok after a break at Wetherby recently (didn't complete at Cheltenham the time before) and just found Gerimonde had to much speed for him. That horse re-opposes but if Charlie D rides War Lord will be about 10lbs better off on a track that's a stiffer jumping test. Paint the Dream joins Zanza at the top of the weights but he's another on a bad mark.
 

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