Barney Curley
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Good post bar
Dinosaurs on here and in racing circles seem to be oblivious to competing markets. Mates of mine are most definitely drifting towards other sports
And anyone wonders why?
Anyone who thinks this is good publicity is out of their minds.
Dinosaurs on here and in racing circles seem to be oblivious to competing markets. Mates of mine are most definitely drifting towards other sports
And anyone wonders why?
Anyone who thinks this is good publicity is out of their minds.
Desert Orchid
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I wasn't arguing about the rights and wrongs of it. No number of wrongs will ever make a right.
I'm not sure any wrong was done in the first place and I'm merely trying to point out that racing shouldn't be singled out as the only sport where alleged rule-breaking takes place.
Desert Orchid
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You present yourself as a self-made business person.
I've yet to meet the self-made business person who has not at some point screwed someone on the way up or had their business expenditure at least tweaked favourably or their tax return completed to [at best] avoid tax.
If you are a paragon of virtue then it's a perfectly fair and admirable comment and I doff my cap to you.
If not, you are a hypocrite.
That is completely irrelevant. Absolute rubbish point. And you have no right to make a judgement on how I file tax or run my business. None whatsofuckingever
And as it happens I work as a broker for finance
And as it also happens I avoid financing firms that are underhand short term and abuse trust. I could name them too
Because I take a long term view for my clients
Bar the Bull
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I agree that it shouldn't be singled out, Dessie. As you may know, I am a massive fan of cycling, and it gets tarred with a dirty brush way more than it deserves.
But the reality is that racing is seen as bent, and cycling is seen as doped, and the authorities need to go beyond the normal realms of administration to ensure the image of both sports is cleaned up.
Having lads like Curley and Jonathan Tiernan-Locke in the papers really just reinforces the beliefs of the public.
But the reality is that racing is seen as bent, and cycling is seen as doped, and the authorities need to go beyond the normal realms of administration to ensure the image of both sports is cleaned up.
Having lads like Curley and Jonathan Tiernan-Locke in the papers really just reinforces the beliefs of the public.
Bar the Bull
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I have met many a self-made business person who is honest. I find your post startling, Dessie.
Desperate Dan
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In my days as a tax inspector well over 90% of a/cs submitted by the self-employed and critically examined were found to contain "mistakes", intentional or otherwise, which reduced the profits of the taxpayer. Unfortunately, at that time and it`s probably worse now, HMRC were only given the resources to critically examine less than 5% of all a/cs. Dessie`s view of self-made businessmen is widely shared by those who actually examine their accounts. Of course, there are exceptions like clive
edgt
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Back to the racing, we spent so much time second guessing Cocozza and left Eye Of The Tiger and co out of calculations!
How many pounds had these horses cumulatively dropped in the ratings ?
I imagine the rating of a listed or group horse.
To get all four back near on song on the same day is some achievement however it was done and no mention of a needle anywhere either to inject joints, epo, sungate or anything else, not yet at any stage.
Curley never associated with any of these to my knowledge.
How many pounds had these horses cumulatively dropped in the ratings ?
I imagine the rating of a listed or group horse.
To get all four back near on song on the same day is some achievement however it was done and no mention of a needle anywhere either to inject joints, epo, sungate or anything else, not yet at any stage.
Curley never associated with any of these to my knowledge.
simmo
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Of course, there are exceptions like clive
I don't believe that clive issued a denial of such behaviour.
Would those objecting to yesterday's coup please explain where they think the rules have been broken, what cheating has occurred and who exactly are the victims? And perhaps they could show us some actual examples of bad publicity arising from it?
All we have on the thread so far are subjective statements of disapproval.
All we have on the thread so far are subjective statements of disapproval.
I definitely believe otherwise, there was no need to stop them.
They were cheaply bought half broken down horses that used to be talented. They were run a few times after being acquired and then put away to get their problems sorted out.
They were cheaply bought half broken down horses that used to be talented. They were run a few times after being acquired and then put away to get their problems sorted out.
In my days as a tax inspector well over 90% of a/cs submitted by the self-employed and critically examined were found to contain "mistakes", intentional or otherwise, which reduced the profits of the taxpayer. Unfortunately, at that time and it`s probably worse now, HMRC were only given the resources to critically examine less than 5% of all a/cs. Dessie`s view of self-made businessmen is widely shared by those who actually examine their accounts. Of course, there are exceptions like clive
Bullshit. Don't give us that.
I work with any number of tax accountants and there is no way they could operate if 90% of claims they submitted were wrong. And most self employed or small businesses use these people (not me I should say)
Also most cannot be arsed with the sheer bother of saving a few quid and the risk of fines and subsequent continual inspections
About to chat to a tax guy this afternoon as it happens
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Desert Orchid
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I think the public see through most sports for what they are but some get away with a better image than perhaps they deserve.
Football, cricket and F1 have all been damaged recently in one way or another.
Nearly everyone suspects mass doping in athletics and there are plenty of athletes not off an inch in Diamond Meet competitions.
Yep.
And I do recall football and cricket fans congratulating various Pakistani cricketers and distant Eastern European football teams for their "coups"
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Obviously touched a nerve there, didn't I??
It's not irrelevant. You have no right to make a judgment on Curley yet you called him akin to someone who fiddles their expenses. If you fix yours - and I never accused you of doing so - then you're being a hypocrite.
Nor did I make a judgment on how you file tax or run your business.
I can only let my imagination run riot... :lol:
It was in response to your sweeping statement about ALL businessmen. You have just been watching too much tv
I gather you and dan are (or were) in the public sector.
Do you both write these posts all by yourself or do you wait for someone to tell you to do so? And do you post after 3.30 in the afternoon?
I gather you and dan are (or were) in the public sector.
Do you both write these posts all by yourself or do you wait for someone to tell you to do so? And do you post after 3.30 in the afternoon?
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Grey chooses his words well and has done so on this thread. 'Horses not at their best' might be a better description than 'half broken down horses' otherwise I agree with his argument. When they last ran it was not necessary for them to be cheated with.
Clearly there appears to have been coordination yesterday, its is hard to argue otherwise. This would indicate a conspiracy, word with unpleasant overtones. However what has happened it that some shrewd parties have kept tight the fact that not just one, but four, possibly five horses' have substantially been brought back to their former levels over a lengthy period of time. Given the nature of racing folk that is a major achievement.
If it were the case that the horses had been deliberately run down so as to give poor performances that would be cheating. The length of time that it has taken to bring these horses to the boil mitigates against that and giving the benefit of the doubt I see this as a well managed plot rather than cheating.
Clearly there appears to have been coordination yesterday, its is hard to argue otherwise. This would indicate a conspiracy, word with unpleasant overtones. However what has happened it that some shrewd parties have kept tight the fact that not just one, but four, possibly five horses' have substantially been brought back to their former levels over a lengthy period of time. Given the nature of racing folk that is a major achievement.
If it were the case that the horses had been deliberately run down so as to give poor performances that would be cheating. The length of time that it has taken to bring these horses to the boil mitigates against that and giving the benefit of the doubt I see this as a well managed plot rather than cheating.
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baracouda
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A good old fashioned plot and coup job it was ... but not a con.
Desperate Dan
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I trust your chat is before 3-30, Clive.
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I never once mentioned all businessmen. For a successful self-made businessman, your reading skills fall well short of GCSE level. You're probably self-employed because you'd otherwise be unemployable.
Ah yes, the public sector. The lazy target so beloved of chinless wonders.
I can show initiative. Just gimme the go-ahead...
Being retired, I can pretty much post as and when I can be arsed.
Next question?
??
Do you really think that a tax accountant at this time of year keeps civil service hours?
Do you know what time of year it is? And you were a tax inspector?
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