Grasshopper
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Just checked the odds below, the Fly out to 4.18?
He has hovered between 4.0 and 4.4 for the last several days.
Just checked the odds below, the Fly out to 4.18?
I'd be asking would TNO or MTOY be good enough to get close to Grandouet or ROR.
would sooner be using the formline with zarkandar, given it's more solid and grandouet could never get the better of him despite many attempts.Is this a serious Question? Would TNO be good enough to get close to ROR?
20th October 2013 - 4:25 Kempton - Class 1 2m Hurdle - TNO absolutely hammered ROR by 10 lengths.
"held up in 3rd until chased leader before 5th, shaken up and jumped into lead 2 out, ridden and readily quickened clear between last 2, eased towards finish, impressive"
would sooner be using the formline with zarkandar, given it's more solid and grandouet could never get the better of him despite many attempts.
think either formline puts TNO ahead of grandouet but roughly on a similar level to the principals in the champion hurdle.
still think his jumping at speed could be what hinders him.
Is this a serious Question? Would TNO be good enough to get close to ROR?
20th October 2013 - 4:25 Kempton - Class 1 2m Hurdle - TNO absolutely hammered ROR by 10 lengths.
"held up in 3rd until chased leader before 5th, shaken up and jumped into lead 2 out, ridden and readily quickened clear between last 2, eased towards finish, impressive"
ROR's best runs have been on good ground in the Spring, his worst on heavy winter ground. He has probably regressed too...
That form line is irrelevant.
I'm talking ROR's best Cheltenham form.
TNO is better on good Spring ground too. Absolutely no doubt! It was also TNO first run of the season. So The circumstances & conditions were exactly the same for both. People have argued That ROR was not fit, first run etc.... It was the exact same for TNO......... While not an accurate good Spring ground comparison - it's certainly NOT 'irrelevant'.
I put it to you like this - ROR was remaining hurdling. That race was his first for his prep run up to another tilt at the Champion hurdle.
The ROR team got a glimpse of what sort of a monster engine TNO was rocking under the Hood! Coupled with the acceleration & turn of foot he showed on the heavy ground. Fry and Fehily were thinking..... S**t... that's heavy ground.... We'll not see this lad for dirt on better ground.
And they ran a mile.... No thanks. That's Enough! Novice chasing it is......
Rock On Ruby has always needed a minimum of a stiff 2m to show his best, and it's no coincidence he ran his highest RPR (171) in winning the strongest run Champion Hurdle of recent times. He was also close to that figure (170) when a running-on 2nd in last year's race (hardly the sign of a horse blowing out chasing too strong a pace, btw).
His RPR for the Kempton race behind TNO was 157 - go figure!
Needed TNO mistake at the last. Flat track also a big Factor that day imo.
TNO is going to gobble them all up the hill..........
McCoy will be asking Danny Mullins for a lend of his oars, after he's finished paddling up and down on the spot!
Bring it on. Can't wait !!!!!!!
what was tno rpr for that race?
Very hard to dismiss him and frankly find it strange that some are doing so so easily
He got nearer because he was 1lb better off at the weights, they ran at a crawl and it turned into a straight forward sprint.
He will be 2Lb worse off which should negate any improvement and you cant get away from the fact that he capitulated in the battle on both occasions at the same length of time
It's price related. Ridiculous that he's favourite.