Cheltenham Race Reviews

Double Handful said:
Without checking back, I think you said something like "The Marsh is simple, Itchy feet just wins, doesn't he".

Not sure what Relegate has to do with the Marsh chase? Can only assume it's a subtle dig at me, knowing I was on him.

If so, I'll retort by reminding you that I was on him at 50/1 - that's the difference.

And emphasises my original point the price dictates the value of every bet.
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Correct. I nailed my colours like I have just said after weighing up pros and cons.

As for Relegate. Yup fully aware of the price you had.
Should that have gone off fav? That was the point I was making in relation to price with Itchy Feet.
 
Frankel said:
Correct. I nailed my colours like I have just said after weighing up pros and cons.

As for Relegate. Yup fully aware of the price you had.
Should that have gone off fav? That was the point I was making in relation to price with Itchy Feet.
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In hindsight, Relegate was too short. But the money was down and the right people were on etc. And the Pertemps was a 24 runner H'Cap with probably the most plots in it of all festival races!

The Marsh is a graded Novice chase, with plenty of true form on offer.

They are not remotely comparable in terms of looking at the price/value of runners, like you're attempting to do here.

And by doing that I feel you've gotten away from the point we were discussing, which was Itchy feet unseating in the Marsh.

And imo even if he hadn't of unseated so early, I'd still have given him no chance of finishing in the first 3. And you're earlier posts suggest you thought his jumping was a concern, but had he stayed up, you think he had every chance of getting in the frame?

I suppose we'll never know....... Until they meet again.
 
Slim said:
You've completely misquoted me. Paul Nicholls targets Saturday handicaps. You can't do that and have horses well handicapped enough to win festival handicaps. The idea that he is some sort of Cheltenham genius is a few miles wide of the mark. He has a 7.89% strike rate at the festival in the last 5 years so even comparing him to Elliot or Mullins is laughable. He openly said his horse in the Grand Annual was an out and out plot and he was beat 5 1/2 lengths. That's pretty much where he is.
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This is the same Paul Nicholls that has had 6 winners and 19 win or place from only 89 runners in the last 4 Festivals. I reckon with the battalions available to Gordon and Willie, and the the shear number of runners they send that's perfectly respectable, and makes him a UK trainer you want on your side. For perspective Willie and Gordon combined this year sent pretty much the same number of horses that Nicholls has sent in 4 years. I'd say considering those two are getting the pick of the sales in three countries Nicholls is doing well to keep consistently having Festival winners at all let alone the numbers he's had.

And to be fair I haven't mis-quoted you. Your response to me was 'Name the winners I've missed compared to focusing on Irish plots?' To which I directly responded naming the horses.
 
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Only 8 runners in the handicaps this year for Nicholls. Willie had 1 handicap winner from an absolute battallion of horses. Maybe some research rather than sweeping statements would be useful. As we've agreed there's no point in wasting any more time.
 
I'd suggest you go back to post #292 which is where I raise Nicholls and the context of it and tell me who is misquoting who?!

A debate with you is like sinking in mud. You're always right whether you are or not, and it's ******* painful.
 
And for you of all people to call anyone a condescending **** takes the biscuit. I can probably point to half a dozen posts on this thread where you've been condescending to to others.
 
If that's the way you work, and you want to turn a debate into a toy throwing exercise because you have to be right then yes we do.
 
Maruco said:
If that's the way you work, and you want to turn a debate into a toy throwing exercise because you have to be right then yes we do.
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There are some quite simply awful takes on this thread. Right or wrong I'll argue my point. It can be frustrating seeing people learn nothing from what happened at the festival , it's like am episode of Seinfeld.
 
I don't disagree. And so will I.

I have no problem with my results from the Festival and what I learnt from it. And there was obviously nothing wrong with what I learnt from the previous one.

We've had our crossed-words now let's put it behind us and move on. It's a waste of energy for both of us.
 
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And no good for anyone going over and over the same thing when we are not going to get Aintree or Punchestown to change anyone's opinion. I'm officially done thinking about jumps racing.
 
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"Following the cancellation of the Aintree and Punchestown Festivals, we have brought forward the annual 'Every cu*nt hates every cu*nt else' threads, that are normally reserved for the start of the Flat season proper."
 
Grasshopper said:
Note from Admin:

"Following the cancellation of the Aintree and Punchestown Festivals, we have brought forward the annual 'Every cu*nt hates every cu*nt else' threads, that are normally reserved for the start of the Flat season proper."
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That was a proper laugh out loud :lol:
 
Grasshopper said:
Note from Admin:

"Following the cancellation of the Aintree and Punchestown Festivals, we have brought forward the annual 'Every cu*nt hates every cu*nt else' threads, that are normally reserved for the start of the Flat season proper."
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You can **** off and all Mr Monkfish for the 4 miler...
 
Double Handful said:
In hindsight, Relegate was too short. But the money was down and the right people were on etc. And the Pertemps was a 24 runner H'Cap with probably the most plots in it of all festival races!

The Marsh is a graded Novice chase, with plenty of true form on offer.

They are not remotely comparable in terms of looking at the price/value of runners, like you're attempting to do here.

And by doing that I feel you've gotten away from the point we were discussing, which was Itchy feet unseating in the Marsh.

And imo even if he hadn't of unseated so early, I'd still have given him no chance of finishing in the first 3. And you're earlier posts suggest you thought his jumping was a concern, but had he stayed up, you think he had every chance of getting in the frame?

I suppose we'll never know....... Until they meet again.
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Way too short given the first two in the field. Right people were on?

The point I was making regards their prices was chance in relation to that price. So yes I would have preferred 5/1 on Itchy Feet than similar with Relegate, which I mentioned because of the debate had over the Pertemps race itself and how it unfolded.

Yes with a clear round I thought he would be in the mix.
 
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Slim said:
There are some quite simply awful takes on this thread. Right or wrong I'll argue my point. It can be frustrating seeing people learn nothing from what happened at the festival , it's like am episode of Seinfeld.
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Correct!
 
With the Kenny Everett proviso,


As 10cc so memorably said, "agree to disagree if disagree you must" and move on.

Everyone invests (not financially) in one/some horse(s) and will fight their corner with reasons/excuses/blind faith on why they were unsuccessful.

For my part, I'd like to think that Put The Kettle On is a star because of Robin De Carlow. I have my doubts.
Abacadabras is a two time loser and won't attract my money next year.
Ronald Pump is rhyming slang.
Shishkin may be the next Buveur D'Air.
Relegate has been a dog/bitch from the early days. Barge-pole job.
I never remotely considered backing Itchy Feet or Brewin'upastorm.

Keep safe everyone and don't go stir crazy.
 
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archie said:
With the Kenny Everett proviso,


As 10cc so memorably said, "agree to disagree if disagree you must" and move on.

Everyone invests (not financially) in one/some horse(s) and will fight their corner with reasons/excuses/blind faith on why they were unsuccessful.

For my part, I'd like to think that Put The Kettle On is a star because of Robin De Carlow. I have my doubts.
Abacadabras is a two time loser and won't attract my money next year.
Ronald Pump is rhyming slang.
Shishkin may be the next Buveur D'Air.
Relegate has been a dog/bitch from the early days. Barge-pole job.
I never remotely considered backing Itchy Feet or Brewin'upastorm.

Keep safe everyone and don't go stir crazy.
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There is enough here to p1ss a few Off :lol:
 
archie said:
If I can help somebody....
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I would rather actually be defending one I actually rate like Abacadabra. Beaten by two tools. His time will come.

I see no mention of Kemboy on your list Archie :whistle:
Where do you stand with him now?
 
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