Fox Hunting

There would have been quite a lot of anti-hunting people stood in the paddock at Stratford if it had delivered the downpour the clouds had promised............. but the "protest" was very well excecuted, and like it says, only delayed things by about 5 minutes. :D
 
Thanks guys for the spell-checks......was really struggling to keep my eyes open by that stage!! Yes, I did mean cease!!! :blink: :D
 
SL - Bracknell has enough problems without getting the blame for what your father did! Anyhow, it's got the best bagel shop on the first floor of a bookshop anywhere in the country!
 
:lol: :lol: Fair enough!!!!!

Funnily enough.....Dad has told me on several occasions about a good bookshop with a great cafe type thingy on one of the floors in Bracknell!! Ottakers, is it? :D
 
Hunt protesters invade Commons

Pro-hunting protesters stormed into the chamber of the House of Commons as MPs prepared to vote on a total ban on hunting with dogs.

Five protesters managed to evade security to enter the chamber as MPs debated the controversial issue. The sitting was immediately suspended as guards wrestled with the intruders.

The news of the disruption was greeted with loud cheers when it was relayed to the thousands of pro-hunt demonstrators gathered outside Parliament.


such respect for democracy
 
In other words we should expect more violence? I bloody well hope not. That will hardly aid their cause.
 
What's wrong with these namby-pamby pro-hunt people? A few puny blokes rushed into the HoC and found - what? A couple of blokes dressed in tights, armed with what looked like fishing rods, and how many - ten? - MPs slumped in a catatonic state.

Where's the old no guts-no glory attitude of our forefathers who made this country blah, blah, blah? Why didn't they storm in, in their dozens, mounted on the biggest heavyweight hunters this side of the Clyde, setting the hounds onto the backbenchers, shooting into the ceiling, lassooing the Speaker and dragging him outside to be torn to pieces by a baying crowd? :teeth:

Now that's what I'd call a protest!
 
Looked more like a National Front Rally.

All over bar the whingeing.

morons,with a small m.

Lots of Foxy Ladies will be happy that their offspring will be able to go to school without having to worry about the traffic. :D

Got my chuff chart ready and counting down 730,729.......................... :D :D :D :D
 
Have just this minute got back from London where we represented the many factions of the racing industry, and there were plenty of us! Lots of owners, trainers, jockeys and stable staff all made the journey...so much for the "morons" many of them are respectable people, who as a racing fan you will probaly follow.

After starting work earlier than the usual ungodly hour I usually do, set off with at least another 150 people from Lambourn. We didn't really see what went on with the police, but the rumours were drifting round that it wasn't mainly hnt supporters getting stuck into the police but the "rent a mob" NF and skinheads who always turn up for the chance of a fight. Most of the day was very peaceful, it was just like a get together of friends discussing a familiar subject.

The violence was just an outburst of sheer desperation from people who are at risk of loosing their whole lives, job, house, hobbies. For those who belive p2p wont be affected by a ban, they are living in cuckoo land, spoke to some people who had come all the way from the borders who told me the Scottish ban had greatly decreased the numbers of horses, and money to run the meetings that without help it would fold within 10 years. And I'm with you SL, it is impossible that anyone can be anti hunting but go pointing.....do you not realise that everytime you step onto the track you are supporting the hunt, the entrance fee will go towards wages, or publicity or dogfood.....

From what I can tel (antis please tell me if i'm wrong) your main gripes about hunting is that a. Its cruel and b. the class thing.

Do you agree that foxes need to be controled? The Burns Inquiry proved that it is necessary, how about the cruelty that will be caused when thousands of beautiful hounds have to be put down, or are the government going to provide the costs involved of keeping them until they die naturally? Or what is going to happen to the horses who are primarily used for hunting? It probably wont affect those current horses, but it will those in future. No one will buy a horse to hunt anymore, so all those people who go to Ascot to buy a nice ex-racer wont bother....what will happen to those horses? I'll guess at pedigree chum.

I think the tragic death of the young boy the other day shows the difficulties with other methods of control, shooting only is NOT an option.

And well, SL, JinnyJ and myself have already described that the majority of people who will be affected by a ban will be the workers,
 
An emotive subject that will cause consternation to the year dot, and something I personally would not like to debate? But looking at the intruders L/E they looked like to me that they were mature males who invaded the chamber and not yobs? I did not see the outside confrontation as I was somewhat busy during the day………

But yes if anyone was losing their job in relation to any bans/closing down of any industry, they certainly in a democratic country have the right to protest!!!!… and I have joined marches to voice my opinion too… but was not present at today’s for I can see an argument for and against, so being diplomatic... as stated would abstain from debate on the said subject……………….
 
IMO, pro-hunters are entitled to protest provided they observe the law but, once the democratic decision has gone against them - as it seems to be in the process of doing - they should respect the will of the elected government.

As I've said before, the outrage of the pro-hunting lobby always puts me in mind of the Miner's Strike in the wake of Thatcher's new labour laws in the 1980s.

Then, all miners who protested and disobeyed the new laws were rightly convicted and publically vilified - the same rules will apply to pro-hunters once thuis Bill is law.

IMO, living in a democracy means going out to vote at elections, then accepting the will of the largest segment of voters, and the laws brought in by said elected government - not just obeying the laws you agree with.

Any unionist breaking the law in the 1980s rightly wound up in a prison cell - I'm afraid that logic dicates that, once the Hunting Bill becomes law, anyone who flouts that law winds up in precisely the same location.

I'd say that, overall, Tory voters haven't had much to complain about from this very moderate Labour administration.

Here, however, is a Bill which a lot of them, particularly in rural areas, really don't like - now they know how it felt for the unreconstructed socialists who found living under Thatcherism all but unbearable.

Well tough - if people don't like it, they should obey the new law while campaigning lawfully for it to be repealed, maybe the next time the Tories get into power.
 
Hilarious stuff. Pathetic govt have brought all this on themselves. If they were school prefects they would be introducing free sweets for all kids. Whichever way the wind is blowing will do them nicely.
 
Some of the reasons I'm reading on the news wires proffered to justify blatantly ignoring this law take the biscuit.

Apparnetly it's ''class warfare'' and legislation designed just to ''annoy conservatives.''

Well a lot of the legislation 1979-1997 annoyed me - maybe I should have broken all those laws and used that as my excuse?

The reality here is that some people - especially in rural areas - think the law is something determined in urban areas and needn't apply to them.

When it's a law to curb people like trade unionists they're all for it, but if it interferes with their way of life, they think it's ok to heroicaly break it, because they are RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG.

How egalitarian - not.

Once this is law, chuck every mother's son (and daughter) caught in hunting pinks in the nearest prison cell and throw the key into the nearest ocean, that's my recommendation - the next Conservative prime minster can personally let them out. :lol:
 
Love Everlasting,
my gripe is that using hounds to chase and kill a fox for entertainment and say that it is done as a service to Farmers is disingenuous in the extreme.

In the time of the Foot and Mouth Epidemic,the Fox population was depleted to a greater degree that the same period before and the same period after.In other words self regulation of the Fox population works.

Shooting is is the method used all over Europe,as a means of culling.The shooters are trained for the job and have specially trained dogs to act as finders of of injured animals.

As you may see,i am not against culling of an animal population.I do get a bit narked though,when some poor pro Hunter says,"the dogs only kill the sick and old Foxes".

The fact is,that old and sick Foxes die or are shot,even in GB.No die hard Hunstmen would chase a limping fox with hounds when there is no chase.After all thats part of the fun,innit.
 
Ian I was an actual marcher/supporter for/with the miners I booked a days leave to support them as my conscience told me too....(I actually marched under the banner of the MARDY pit, who's traditions are written in the annals of history and the Welsh valleys and respected by other trade unionist here in Wales and throughout the world too) and I really feel that's a different scenario.

They were only wanting to work no laws were broken and/or animals killed..... all they wanted to do was to earn money!! a wage, and bring up their families, which Thatcher and her government was denying them........


And that’s why my feelings in this (FOXHUNTING) case are 50/50 I think a man/woman has the right to do a job of work, and support their families but obviously if hunts are disbanded there goes his/ or her jobs.........

So as stated it’s a very emotive subject to try and work out or DEBATE!!!..............
 
Merlin the Magician,

Good points, but I see it like this...

Under the Tories, I was opposed to the poll tax - but I paid it because it was the law.

Under Labour, fox hunting is to be banned - so don't go hunting because it will be the law.
 
Again IAN a fair point, and I also paid the poll tax, but supported those that objected to it and marched to try and get it overturned......

Not in any physical manner (I WAS NOT PART OF ANY MARCHING OR MEETINGS) but it was a grossly unfair tax system and eventually common sense prevailed and it was abolished as we all know.........

I will back down /out now as I said its difficult for me to see an outcome that’s going to please either side.................. :rolleyes:
 
And the fact that you're anti hunting has nothing to do with that, Ian?? Bollocks!!! I'm so sorry that you're a repressed socialist, bt it doesn't mean you have to take it out on the rest of us!! I'd love to see how they'd go about arresting a meet of 100 people on horseback.....are they planning to turn all the horses & hounds loose while they march the riders away in handcuffs??!!!!

It was very unfortunate that the usual pricks (rent a mob, as LE so rightly says) turned out today - I guess it was the usual tossers, most of them were probably at the Newbury Bypass site a few years back.... :rolleyes: If I was in the UK I would most definitely have been there but there was no way I could have flown in & out due to work rotas. I am gutted I couldn't make it but I will be in the UK next week & if something is arranged I will be there to give it my full support. As for those who assume that those who were there were only there to create trouble, read LE's post!! A very good friend of mine was there today with her 6 year old son - there's passion and dedication for you. This whole hunting debate is really pissing me off now as the more people I talk to who are against it, the more obvious it is becoming that they don't have a bloody clue & are simply jumping on the anti hunting bandwagon like lemmings.

LE - a damn good post - I agree with you wholeheartedly.

And as for Jinnyj - I think you will all discover only too soon how right she is.
 
The Countryside Alliance has its fair share of thugs . One forumite was threatened at a racecourse when he said he disagreed with them I think it might have been the late Nick hagan

Everyone has the right to protest but not to disrupt lawful activity . It will be ironic if the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 provisions brought in to prtect hunts from saboteurs are used on hunters civil disobedience
 
Shadow Leader,

Seeing the party you didn't vote for win and go on to pass laws you don't agree with is part of living in a democracy.

I didn't agree with things like the poll tax during the 1979-1997 Conservative government, but I paid it, and had little sympathy for those who didn't and wound up being convicted.

Similarly, I find an attitude from pro-hunters of thinking they can flout the law unacceptable.

Once this bill is passed, if you go hunting, I hope you are arrested, charged, and given the requisite penalty.

Nothing personal - it's just that society breaks down if we only obey the laws we agree with.

As for this: ''are they planning to turn all the horses & hounds loose while they march the riders away in handcuffs??!!!!'' - well that's just silly.

If you are irresponsible enough to purposely take out horses and hounds to break the law, then I'd say you - not the police - are responsible for the fate of said horses and hounds after you have been carted off by plod.

Should burglars not be arrested if they are found to be accompanied by a dog? :lol:
 
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