Margaret Thatcher dead

The funeral will be a target for some groups and will need to be a tight security operation
 
harry said:
The funeral will be a target for some groups and will need to be a tight security operation
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slightly different from when Churchill went..i wonder why:whistle:

i don't see why she deserves a special send off..is there some criterion for this?..very undeserving..disgraceful in so many ways

at least when its broadcast ..people around the world will see what the majority of this country thought about her..not this bollox the BBC is churning out..their covergae is cringeworthy

i had to laugh at a clip i saw last night..the so called "special" relationship she had with Reagan..they were at this do and the camera caught him glancing at the clock on numerous occasions..couldn't wait to get away from her..just like anyone who had anything to do with her.

Her driver said the only time he saw her get emotional was when she was forced out of office....again..that tells you a lot about her as a person
 
Desert Orchid said:
I'm getting so sick of the sycophantic TV coverage, I'm thinking of accepting the invitation to another party.

Even BBC Scotland were at it this evening, eulogising her.
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It's an embarrassing moment in time to be a Jock.

Fat Alex and Nick-Nack desperate to run the show, and 5,000,000 saps denigrating Thatcher just because it's expected.

I might ask for asylum in the Icelandic embassy. I'd surely be granted it on the grounds of not being an unquestioning f*cking drone, and the Manto would a zillion-percent better to look at too.

Join me, Simmo. You can still be turned. :D
 
You are talking crap ec

Bbc let some student idiot have his pathetic moment saying he was glad she was dead yesterday. Would they have down so if it had been Gordon brown ? You can bet not

I've watched ans listened to a lot of the coverage on the bbc and no way is it one sided. There's been plenty of room for dissenters

We still get to hear from miners weeping about their lost jobs after backing someone who intended to bring down the government. Balanced coverage would have reminded them that A lot of us might not have wanted to subsidise the living standards of those who backed anti democracy.

The majority of the population might have some misgivings about many aspects of her reign but at the end of the day the majority will respect a democratically elected leader who led from the front and stuck to her convictions
 
The odd thing is grass that the scots I know down here are the biggest thatcherites i know. They are eye wateringly free market and low tax. Probably why they sought asylum... Or escaped the asylum
 
clivex said:
You are talking crap ec

Bbc let some student idiot have his pathetic moment saying he was glad she was dead yesterday. Would they have down so if it had been Gordon brown ? You can bet not

I've watched ans listened to a lot of the coverage on the bbc and no way is it one sided. There's been plenty of room for dissenters

We still get to hear from miners weeping about their lost jobs after backing someone who intended to bring down the government. Balanced coverage would have reminded them that A lot of us might not have wanted to subsidise the living standards of those who backed anti democracy.

The majority of the population might have some misgivings about many aspects of her reign but at the end of the day the majority will respect a democratically elected leader who led from the front and stuck to her convictions
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you can come the crap stuff all you want Clive...the facts are there...no one wanted anything to do with her from the moment she was disposed of..and sometime before that

you can argue all your political points..i'm talking about the person..and how others thought of her as a person...people have spoken with their feet and kept away from her for an obvious reason..no bugger liked her as a person.

at the end of the day..she asset stripped the country and lined the pockets of her wealthy friends..and bought lots of people like you along the way ..here buy some shares in a company...you already own

A woman that valued the police over teachers ..that tells you a lot about her just on its own...didn't give a fig about the children of this country..unless she could have sold a few obviously;)...a vile critter in reality

but ..some people like folk like that....but greed has many followers
 
I've no real interest in the economics of it all, clixex, or Thatchers policy decisions, which - like that of all politicians - are a mix of the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I'm all about placing myself outside the herd-mentality that Scots seem to suffer from. Thatcher represents the very essence of South-East conservatism; something that the 'Scottish Nation' are inclined to diametrically oppose - regardless of its impact: positive or negative.
 
Yes ec. I really appreciated my "shares" in British steel before 1979. Value zero with a constant massive call on "shareholders" for more cash with no end in sight and no plan for recovery. Perfect business model

Grass. Yes it's boring and reeks a bit of the victim mentality which is an anathema to many around the rest of the uk
 
EC1 said:
you can come the crap stuff all you want Clive...the facts are there...no one wanted anything to do with her from the moment she was disposed of..and sometime before that

you can argue all your political points..i'm talking about the person..and how others thought of her as a person...people have spoken with their feet and kept away from her for an obvious reason..no bugger liked her as a person.

at the end of the day..she asset stripped the country and lined the pockets of her wealthy friends..and bought lots of people like you along the way ..here buy some shares in a company...you already own

A woman that valued the police over teachers ..that tells you a lot about her just on its own...didn't give a fig about the children of this country..unless she could have sold a few obviously;)...a vile critter in reality

but ..some people like folk like that....but greed has many followers
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Dunno, EC1. There's a few assumptions in there.

When someone drops from the centre of the world-stage, into oblivion, in the space of a handful of weeks, it's fairly easy to assume they've been deserted by everyone they've ever dealt with. Thatcher had further to fall than most people in recent history who've lived to tell the tale, and she will have lived a certain kind of life far away from the public gaze, that - who knows? - could have been quite full and purposeful.

It's almost certainly the case that her isolation (if there ever was any) was an outcome of her increasingly fragile mental-state. I mean? Who would want to see a loved-one, close-friend, or even acquaintence descend into such a condition at close-quarters?

I can't be ar$ed (not tonight, at least), to get into the nitty-gritty of herr policies, but it's probably safe-enough to say that for every person f*cked-over by her, another had an avenue opened. The rights-and-wrongs of such an approach are a matter of personal taste - I mention it only to demonstrate the dichotomy.

Politicians are like racehorses. We're naturally disposed to like the ones which have done us a turn, and hate the ones that have pumped us in the rear-end.

The form-book is open to interpretation. Judgement is best left to the Gods and Stewards. :cool:
 
Yes ec. I really appreciated my "shares" in British steel before 1979. Value zero with a constant massive call on "shareholders" for more cash with no end in sight and no plan for recovery. Perfect business model

plenty to go at

British Petroleum October 1979
British Aerospace February 1981
Cable & Wireless October 1981
Amersham International February 1982
National Freight Corporation February 1982
Britoil November 1982
Associated British Ports February 1983
Enterprise Oil July 1984
Jaguar August 1984
British Telecommunications December 1984
British Shipbuilders 1985 onwards
British Gas December 1986
British Airways February 1987
Rolls-Royce May 1987
BAA July 1987
British Steel December 1988
Water December 1989
Electricity 1990
 
Grasshopper said:
Dunno, EC1. There's a few assumptions in there.

When someone drops from the centre of the world-stage, into oblivion, in the space of a handful of weeks, it's fairly easy to assume they've been deserted by everyone they've ever dealt with. Thatcher had further to fall than most people in recent history who've lived to tell the tale, and she will have lived a certain kind of life far away from the public gaze, that - who knows? - could have been quite full and purposeful.

It's almost certainly the case that her isolation (if there ever was any) was an outcome of her increasingly fragile mental-state. I mean? Who would want to see a loved-one, close-friend, or even acquaintence descend into such a condition at close-quarters?

I can't be ar$ed (not tonight, at least), to get into the nitty-gritty of herr policies, but it's probably safe-enough to say that for every person f*cked-over by her, another had an avenue opened. The rights-and-wrongs of such an approach are a matter of personal taste - I mention it only to demonstrate the dichotomy.

Politicians are like racehorses. We're naturally disposed to like the ones which have done us a turn, and hate the ones that have pumped us in the rear-end.

The form-book is open to interpretation. Judgement is best left to the Gods and Stewards. :cool:
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there is f*cked over and f*cked over though Grass

at the end of the day...does someone that divides opinion really deserve one step short of a state funeral?

its totally unnecessary..and we have to pay towards it..when we are basically in a depression...well we are where i live..but it don't matter up here..its north of Watford:)
 
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Not watched it simmo. Looks like some crap but free market economics were big in some Scottish universities some time before elsewhere .. Or so I understand

I have not followed her personal life but it's absurd to say she was isolated. I actually picked up the guardian today and it had a superb pull out with summaries of personal experiences from big names from all sides, some touching on her later life. I slag the paper off a lot and it does have some sinister columnists but this was journalism at its best
 
EC1 said:
Yes ec. I really appreciated my "shares" in British steel before 1979. Value zero with a constant massive call on "shareholders" for more cash with no end in sight and no plan for recovery. Perfect business model

plenty to go at

British Petroleum October 1979
British Aerospace February 1981
Cable & Wireless October 1981
Amersham International February 1982
National Freight Corporation February 1982
Britoil November 1982
Associated British Ports February 1983
Enterprise Oil July 1984
Jaguar August 1984
British Telecommunications December 1984
British Shipbuilders 1985 onwards
British Gas December 1986
British Airways February 1987
Rolls-Royce May 1987
BAA July 1987
British Steel December 1988
Water December 1989
Electricity 1990
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EC, I think clivex's point was that all of the above (or near as dammit) were loss-making, public behemoths, which the taxpayer was required to subsidise. Hence, the sale of each made sense from a certain economic perspective - as it was generating, rather than losing, money for the Revenue.

I make no comment on the merits of this as an approach.
 
Ec. I could go through that list and easily argue the case for privtisation of most of them but the simple fact is that renationsliatikn has never been on the agenda here or in any other country that followed our lead (france was an obvious example) ask why that is?

The only one o. That list I still have misgivings about is water because there was no subsequent competetive structure and no real market discipline. Could argue that about baa maybe but that was a small beer
 
EC1 said:
there is f*cked over and f*cked over though Grass

at the end of the day...does someone that divides opinion really deserve one step short of a state funeral?

its totally unnecessary..and we have to pay towards it..when we are basically in a depression
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The Queen Mother divided opinion.

To some, she was the Grandmother of the Nation. To others, a pish-soaked old leech, who kept her teeth in the Nutella jar.

Diana divided opinion too.

Both got the same type of funeral, and all they really ever did was bang some chinless German wankers. Say what you like about Thatcher, her impact - in an historical sense - was sizeable....for many of the reasons clivex has espoused in earlier posts.

I don't have any issue with her being given this type of funeral. I see it for what it is; a load of old lah-di-dah, but at least we're world-leaders in lad-di-dah, and will make a good job of it.

Give it a week and we'll be talking about something else. There's too many people with apparently long-memories, who will wonder why they got so het-up.
 
Fairly true grass. Bp wasn't I'm sure but then again it wasn't whollely owned anyway

But the key was that many of these businesses were soon required if not already, to compete internationally and domestically and they would continue to fall further behind u less private disciplines were bought into place. The classic awful service provided by bt was a prime example

And that's before we get onto British leyland...
 
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Grasshopper said:
EC, I think clivex's point was that all of the above (or near as dammit) were loss-making, public behemoths, which the taxpayer was required to subsidise. Hence, the sale of each made sense from a certain economic perspective - as it was generating, rather than losing, money for the Revenue.

I make no comment on the merits of this as an approach.
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a lot of them are public services like the railways should be..but which are now an abomination...which most privatisations have turned into for the public.....they didn't need privatising..they needed reorganising

The coal industry...instead of healing the patient..she terminated it...purely to destroy the mining union

there would be no need for the unions Clive hates so much to even exist..if those running business's in the past hadn't been such greedy b*stards..unions are a result of greed
 
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Railways have the highest number of passengers since the 50s. Some catastrophe

I have used the trains almost daily for years. I turned up in the br days not knowing what the fck going to arrive. Now I don't even check. Sw trains for a lot of stick early in but it's spot on now

I do not hate unions at all but for christs sake don't you see that Alan fisher and moss evans simply were the absolute electoral tool thatcher could have hoped for? They destroyed labour as an electoral force for years. Do you remember 1979 at all?
 
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