Road to the 2025 Champion Hurdle

The State Man result has changed everything. Surely now the Lossiemouth run behind Constitution Hill has to be taken much more seriously as WPM horses are all running like drains bar a few. 7/1 and 11/1 lossie and State Man look very tempting ew bets all things considered
 
Ruby had a few words

"I honestly thought they were going too fast. She was unbelievably comfortable and jumping like a buck, but I thought they were going too hard and they’d have to fall in a hole. It’s like Galopin Des Champs yesterday.

"This mare pinged the second-last and left King Of Kingsfield stone dead. Sam sent her off the bend and it’s as far as you want.

"She does slow down a little bit in the end, but I think I remember Faugheen doing something similar in an Irish Champion Hurdle.

"Fair play to Sam Ewing, he was brave on her. The pace was strong, he sat up there and she jumped like an absolute gazelle for him.”
 
Better Days Ahead, rated 5lbs ahead of Winter Fog and receiving 7lbs, was entitled to finish about 12 lengths ahead of the runner up. The winning margin was in fact 30 lengths but how literally should one take that? Once a margin is already decisive the lengths can pile on pretty quickly.

State Man clearly did not run to form and the stable in general is having a mixed time of it at the moment.

That said, BDA certainly ran well enough to have a go at the Champion Hurdle.
 
Grey said:
Better Days Ahead, rated 5lbs ahead of Winter Fog and receiving 7lbs, was entitled to finish about 12 lengths ahead of the runner up. The winning margin was in fact 30 lengths but how literally should one take that? Once a margin is already decisive the lengths can pile on pretty quickly.

State Man clearly did not run to form and the stable in general is having a mixed time of it at the moment.

That said, BDA certainly ran well enough to have a go at the Champion Hurdle.
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I've mentioned the notional figure a few times and what it actually means.

The taking aspects are her age, profile and the fact she could travel at that speed and keep to the line like that

SM may improve, but what tactics do they apply now..

Btw, Eddie o Leary said she 100% goes chasing next Autumn
 
I think many are missing the big picture here. Lossiemouth was obviously not 100% at Kempton. There must be very little doubt back to her best and Cheltenham more her cup of tea she is probably the biggest danger to Constitution Hill. I honestly think the bookies have overreacted to Kempton
 
Tanlic said:
I think many are missing the big picture here. Lossiemouth was obviously not 100% at Kempton. There must be very little doubt back to her best and Cheltenham more her cup of tea she is probably the biggest danger to Constitution Hill. I honestly think the bookies have overreacted to Kempton
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I agree Tan.ive never been a fan of State Man and last year Lossiemouth was still young and learning the game.
I'd love to know how fit CH was but if the champion hurdle is run at the same pace as kempton will a fit Lossie be able to keep up.
I've already got CH onside at 11/2 so I might have a saver on Lossie.
 
I just saw Matt Chapman interview Nicky after Kempton. What caught my attention was Nicky saying Constitution Hill took a big heave (gasp of breath) going to the last which is a sure fire indication he was needing the run.
 
Tanlic said:
I think many are missing the big picture here. Lossiemouth was obviously not 100% at Kempton. There must be very little doubt back to her best and Cheltenham more her cup of tea she is probably the biggest danger to Constitution Hill. I honestly think the bookies have overreacted to Kempton
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She looked a galloper to me,and unlikely to have the speed for a Champion Hurdle.
Sure,she'll come on for the run,but so will CH.
I'd be against her.
 
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BDA has as much chance of running in the Champion Hurdle as Apple's Jade had.

The only possible disruption to that truth is Constitution Hill's health status.
 
Tanlic said:
You must be joking....she was favourite before the Kempton fiasco...Rich Ricci will not back down because of that...
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The same Rich Ricci who said its the Gold Cup or nothing with Vautour only to run in the Ryanair.
It's will be 100% Willie's decision.
Get rid or move the sodding Mares race so they all run in the Champion.
 
tiggers1972 said:
The same Rich Ricci who said its the Gold Cup or nothing with Vautour only to run in the Ryanair.
It's will be 100% Willie's decision.
Get rid or move the sodding Mares race so they all run in the Champion.
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The number of mares in training only exists because of the Mares only programme, getting rid is not the answer.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Simon Rowlands has had a look at the Christmas Hurdle, King George and Sir Gino. Always worth a read:

www.attheraces.com

Sectional Spotlight | At The Races

Simon analyses the festive action from Kempton, including Banbridge's fast-finishing King George success and Constitution Hill's third Christmas Hurdle victory.
www.attheraces.com www.attheraces.com
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Desert Orchid said:
Simon Rowlands has had a look at the Christmas Hurdle, King George and Sir Gino. Always worth a read:

www.attheraces.com

Sectional Spotlight | At The Races

Simon analyses the festive action from Kempton, including Banbridge's fast-finishing King George success and Constitution Hill's third Christmas Hurdle victory.
www.attheraces.com www.attheraces.com
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Rowlands is not my cup of tea. I find his input too long and boring after timing.
Nowadays our commentators in big races tell us if the leaders are traveling at 26mph, 28mph or 30mph so we know of the race is being run at a crawl or a good gallop....on most cases over the jumps I find the time from 3 out or 2 out can be more telling than anything.

Too each his own Dessie but I have more to do with my life than spend hours on end reading through and studying Rowlands useless information telling me Constitution Hill is a faster horse than a 10yo handicapper carrying 11st10lb round 2m at Kempton or elsewhere.
 
Tanlic said:
Rowlands is not my cup of tea. I find his input too long and boring after timing.
Nowadays our commentators in big races tell us if the leaders are traveling at 26mph, 28mph or 30mph so we know of the race is being run at a crawl or a good gallop....on most cases over the jumps I find the time from 3 out or 2 out can be more telling than anything.

Too each his own Dessie but I have more to do with my life than spend hours on end reading through and studying Rowlands useless information telling me Constitution Hill is a faster horse than a 10yo handicapper carrying 11st10lb round 2m at Kempton or elsewhere.
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The clock tells us the speed they're travelling but it doesn't take into account the ground conditions.

It's easy enough to do 14s furlongs on good ground but it's likely to be closer to 18s per furlong in heavy. At that speed the commentator is liely to be telling us they're going steady.

I don't see what Rowlands does as after-timing. It's not like he's claiming he tipped the winner beforehand.

It's analysis and what we do in our own different ways; we're all trying to figure what happened in a race to produce the result that took place. I think that's healthy and in no way a waste of time.
 
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