Royal Ascot 2022

Yeah, a bit frustrating but it was only small money. I actually put an IR lay in on Diligent Harry at 40 but forgot to back him so that could have been nasty. Positives etc.
 
Rohaan clocked just 0.67s slower than Naval Crown carrying 7lbs more. Won't be much between them on time ratings.
 
Ugh! Aldous Huxley played up in the stalls thanks to the horse next to him going mad and was withdrawn. I”d had some more on as well.
 
Well, Rohaan got the job done, it's a pity the gambled-on favourite, Fresh, let the side down. Pretty "shrewd", I think that best describes David Evans.
 
Truncheon said:
Ive backed this as well- 66/1 6 Places

Like Gulliver in the Wokingham 22/1 8 places, always runs well in big Handicaps

Surely Stratum is too big at 14s in the last race, Willie always has em spot on for Ascot and he won it last year
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A daysaver for me but not a week saver:D
 
Blimey!

“One lucky Sky Bet punter got the Chesham Stakes tricast up – with the one-two-three returning at 40/1, 80/1 and 33/1 – turning £1.50 into over £23,000 on Saturday.”
 
After Rohaan's win I thought I'd look at the stats for Moore riding for Evans.

Since 2019 he has had 15 rides and won on 6 of them, 40% and a return of 387.2%. Three of those wins were on Rohaan. Two on Wind Your Neck In and a single on Glasvegas. Before 2019, in a period between 2012 - 2017 he had 10 rides with no wins.

How did you all interpret the very unusual smile on Ryan's face soon after the finish?
 
Well not so lucky as the Sky Bet punter but had a berludy great week! 14 winners....yes they weren’t hard to find but everything just kept running well. I thought nothing would top my five on Wednesday but I had another five at the course on Friday including three I stuck in a treble. And I have very much enjoyed it. Days/weeks like these are rarer than hen’s teeth! My two accounts are looking great, I can back with cash too although my feet are so ruddy knackered, I think I probably end to invest in a new pair!

My highlights were:
Saffron Beach - game as a pebble
Dramatised - the bullish Karl Burke should never be taken lightly when he says he has a good one
Nature Strip - just WOW!
Changingoftheguard - thought he was beat but he brought up my treble.
Meditate - confirmed what I saw last time
Rohaan - shrewd trainer who managed to get last year’s winner dropped three pounds and win back to back (the Moore booking was the certainty to back it)
Inspiral - as good as they said
Ryan Moore showing what a world class jockey he is....sorry DO but he really is!
Shane Cross - superb ride
Plenty more too!

Low points:
None really - you don’t tend to see them when you’re doing well.....apart I guess from losing one horse and Dettoris inevitable strop after Stradivarius. I went and had a chat with Jason Weaver and we talked about it. He was diplomatic but agree his next few rides were not his best and the knock on effect from his strop was the cause. Unprofessional really.
 
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Just wondering if the hood episode with Lord North Wednesday affected Frankie's confidence as he seemed too worried about his situation rather than ride positively.
Unusual to see him so restless so early in a race as he was in Gold Cup.
He had the horse and reputation to own the inside and indeed the race.
Is he just getting a little windy in his old age; remember his strop with Dylan McMonagle last year ?
For all that it happened to more than Lanfranco and discard him at your peril.
 
Oh I would never discard him. I just think at times he’s a stroppy sod and it definitely affected his subsequent rides. For Gosden to comment so publicly, he was very angry about it....and rightly so. I watched Big JG watching Inspiral and his jaw was so set as though he was just waiting for it to go wrong. Fortunately the filly was sensational and you could see him give a big sigh of relief.
 
edgt said:
Just wondering if the hood episode with Lord North Wednesday affected Frankie's confidence as he seemed too worried about his situation rather than ride positively.
Unusual to see him so restless so early in a race as he was in Gold Cup.
He had the horse and reputation to own the inside and indeed the race.
Is he just getting a little windy in his old age; remember his strop with Dylan McMonagle last year ?
For all that it happened to more than Lanfranco and discard him at your peril.
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He's one of the greatest jockeys we'll ever see but Father Time catches up with everyone. Kyprios was never getting beat. It's just unfortunate for Frankie he looked "unlucky".
 
Love it. Classic case of looking at sectionals and not reading how the race unfolded. Going by this Mojo Star should have won!

Dear God!
 
Aye; Phil Bull was a former maths teacher, but would turn in his grave if he saw how race-reading had been reduced to mechanical number crunching .
 
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reet hard said:
Aye; Phil Bull was a former maths teacher, but would turn in his grave if he saw how race-reading had been reduced to mechanical number crunching .
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It was Phil Bull who started it all, though, with Timeform. He always worked on the basis that a good horse can run a poor time, but a poor horse can’t run a good time.
 
Frankel said:
Love it. Classic case of looking at sectionals and not reading how the race unfolded. Going by this Mojo Star should have won!
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Isn't that a wee bit of a literal interpretation, Frankel?

I'm not interpreting it as Mojo Star 'should have won'. It's just one angle to a more complex bigger picture.

Run the race again next month and I wouldn't be backing MS to turn the tables. It was an unsatisfactory race all round (unless you backed the winner) and I would be doubtful of the pace element recurring.

But I do find the sectional approach fascinating. It's very unusual, I think, for mark-ups of over 40. That would be enough for me to dismiss the form as meaningful. It just means Kyprios wasn't as slow on the day as the others in what amounted to a public gallop.

Strad did look unlucky in running but I'm not convinced he would have won with a clear run down the rail. And even if he had won it would have put another nail in the coffin of quality of stayers. He's no longer a 120+ horse and it would have meant all the ones behind would have been even more modest.

Hopefully the next staying championship race will give all the protagonists a chance to prove their true worth.
 
barjon said:
It was Phil Bull who started it all, though, with Timeform. He always worked on the basis that a good horse can run a poor time, but a poor horse can’t run a good time.
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It's been said,more than once, that Dick Whitford was responsible for much 0f Timeform's early success, and judged on his ratings in the old Sporting Life, that's entirely credible.
In those days, there were no video replays and no sectionals, so they depended largely on their own eyes, and the stopwatch. '
'True pace', 'race standardisation' etc are more recent inventions, and I've yet to see any evidence they're anywhere near as reliable
 
When I worked in Halifax for a short time every other other person seemed to have a Black Book about their person, reckon twice as many were printed than were sold :D
 
Desert Orchid said:
Isn't that a wee bit of a literal interpretation, Frankel?

I'm not interpreting it as Mojo Star 'should have won'. It's just one angle to a more complex bigger picture.

Run the race again next month and I wouldn't be backing MS to turn the tables. It was an unsatisfactory race all round (unless you backed the winner) and I would be doubtful of the pace element recurring.

But I do find the sectional approach fascinating. It's very unusual, I think, for mark-ups of over 40. That would be enough for me to dismiss the form as meaningful. It just means Kyprios wasn't as slow on the day as the others in what amounted to a public gallop.

Strad did look unlucky in running but I'm not convinced he would have won with a clear run down the rail. And even if he had won it would have put another nail in the coffin of quality of stayers. He's no longer a 120+ horse and it would have meant all the ones behind would have been even more modest.

Hopefully the next staying championship race will give all the protagonists a chance to prove their true worth.
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The fractions are interesting in that Strad was slower by 0.16 in the last 3f. Of which 0.11 were inside the last furlong where his effort flattened out. This with the first two out in space being rolled along. Strad didn't get out until inside the 2 pole. Strad did his damage from 1 and a half out till inside the half pole where it flattened out. It has turned in to a sprint where he has been used even more inefficiently than the first two.
 
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