The election 2015

marble said:
Agree with that EC1. The greed and self-serving thing is not just the MPs', across all walks of life this happens.

If you watched our television channels you'd think you were walking on paradise, until you go out and see the reality of what some people and organisations are about in society.
Gawd, I sound like an old man, I'm bloody thirty year old!
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you are just displaying decency Marb..it has nothing to with being old for your age....i'm old..but in the 80's..when i weren't quite as old... i still loathed the scumbags in the city..the loads of money idiots ..same mentality that then a few years ago put us into the financial straits we are in now...and like these tory muppets we have in now they always want the masses to pay for their failings. It s like a few idiots lose billions then expect daft minion to pay it back at 100 quid a week forever..hitting every caring institutre for the next 20/50 years..no convictions though for losing that money..not one conviction against the muppets that put us in this financial mess..a disgrace..and a disgrace that those who adore money don't even want those guilty held to account..in fact they stick up for them...unreal.

there was little decency displayed down south in the 80's..it was a vile time where every human quality that is despicable came to the fore...not surprising with an evil witch like we had in charge then...if you weren't a money adoring greedy arse then you were viewed as a pussy

when you look at us as a society..no wonder extreme religions think we are corrupt as human beings
 
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EC1 said:
you are just displaying decency Marb..it has nothing to with being old for your age....i'm old..but in the 80's..when i weren't quite as old... i still loathed the scumbags in the city..the loads of money idiots ..same mentality that then a few years ago put us into the financial straits we are in now...and like these tory muppets we have in now they always want the masses to pay for their failings. It s like a few idiots lose billions then expect daft minion to pay it back at 100 quid a week forever..hitting every caring institutre for the next 20/50 years..no convictions though for losing that money..not one conviction against the muppets that put us in this financial mess..a disgrace..and a disgrace that those who adore money don't even want those guilty held to account..in fact they stick up for them...unreal.

there was little decency displayed down south in the 80's..it was a vile time where every human quality that is despicable came to the fore...not surprising with an evil witch like we had in charge then...if you weren't a money adoring greedy arse then you were viewed as a pussy

when you look at us as a society..no wonder extreme religions think we are corrupt as human beings
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I think that is such an ignorant post that it is almost satire
 
EC1 said:
the tories are as well if they keep displaying the kind of ante average person mentality they are displaying this week..as soon as they get power..by supporting the bringing back of folk in uniforms killing animals and the destruction of unionism. The fact that the utter cowardice of not having having a vote because they know they would lose makes them spineless just adds to the view of what sort of rubbish they are...complete yellow backs who if they can't get their own slanted way they don't play...totally gutless mard arse shitbags.

like i said before..the tories only get in by using the ignorance of experience of the electorate..once normal man in late 20's has witnessed their vile ways ..they don't vote em in for a good while...trouble is he votes em in once then can't turn teh tide for a few years

Everything about a human being that is despicable in a man is displayed by the tory menatlity...elitism..greed ..arrogance...cowardice... absolutely nothing of merit is embedded within..those who have been tories for years are mentally ill imo...or just don't know any better or really have any moral fibre.......any working person that gets turned their way wants the old head looking at to see if any decency actually exists within unless they see the light:).

vile critters imo..just my view:)
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you really have to be a bit of a tosser of the first order to on the one hand moan about "greed" and on the other complain about lack of union power

and you lived through the seventies?

Even today we have tube drivers pulling in ludicrous salaries and benefits for a pretty unskilled job. We pay for that thanks to the wonderful unions
 
ignorant?..no Clive..the problem you have is that greed is easy to identify..but when its within..you go to any extreme to ridicule the person pointing it out.
 
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clivex said:
you really have to be a bit of a tosser of the first order to on the one hand moan about "greed" and on the other complain about lack of union power

and you lived through the seventies?

Even today we have tube drivers pulling in ludicrous salaries and benefits for a pretty unskilled job. We pay for that thanks to the wonderful unions
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i'm only a tosser to you because i highlight the real failings in people like you though Clive

keep the insults going..then i know i'm hitting a nerve
 
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i'll tell you what Clive..politics aside i like your style..and i'll banter with you all day...but politically ..you represent everything i detest about some people in this country..greed and arrogance mainly
 
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No it's facts

the financial services are this country's biggest revenue earner by FAR. It is our most successful industry and its growing still

its contributes a huge amount to the tax pool. It is something like 12% of total and you can be sure that no other sector comes close to that figure. Per employee head it would be streets ahead of any other sector too.

if you want hospitals and benefits you need to raise tax. This isn't greece

if you think we as a nation would be better off with the financial services pushed out to Zurich or Frankfurt or by alienating our biggest revenue earner then you are out of your mind

you can go on about the crisis all you can buts what's gone is gone and there are shockingly naive misconceptions to this day about the supposed cost to the taxpayer

i don't like banks or a lot of their employees . I deal with them daily but you cannot ignore the city's incredible success
 
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Clive

having incredible success after incredible failure is a bit like betting every race..every day...some days you have incredible success..other days incredible failure.

The fact is..the day we had incredible failure..has fooked us up for years so much that incredible days after didn't put it right.

I'm sure we have good people as you say...but when it all goes tits up..who pays the piper?
 
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I am talking over the lifetime of the sector. ITa also wrong to tar every employee in that sector as greedy or worst of all everyone in the South as ten same . the vast majority do not earn Fortunes. And many of those that do worked hard for it and stil,do
 
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well its a bit like the south north divide in reverse Clive..a lot of southerners think northerners are oiks and anywhere north of Watford is tundra..for Thatcher it was anyone working in a coal mime in the north was fair game to be wiped out

its ok whilst its heading north with the generalisations ..but when northerners do the same back its out of order and you get all precious about some of us work hard etc.

when it was coal that was "costing" the country by being apparantly too expensive to dig it up..then it was wipe it out then..but when its people in the south actually bringing the country to its knees its..ooh most of us work hard and you can't tar us all with same brush..ooh and we must brush the economic disaster under the carpet and make plebbs pay for it over 40 years

annoying isn't it when people split the country up like that?

we are all in it together anyway..although some of us are now in it up to the neck..whilst others go to Tory party fund raisers in London bidding 180k for usless items in some pathetic fund raising effort that shames anyone with any decency..and whilst doing fund raiser make jokes about folk on benefits..yes i saw the footage of that disgraceful event on youtube..disgusting people..and you come on here backing them..unreal.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious that coal mining has been proved to be an industry in terminal decline? And there is no doubt that the miners were very very heavily subsidised. You believe that should have continued despite the rapidly declining demand for coal?

so the financial sector should have been "shut down" in the south?

Which banks brought the "country to its knees"?

royal bank of scotland
northern rock
halifax bank of scotland


and we will throw in Bradford and bingley as a significant failure too

dont look very Southern to me

Is banking an industry that is in rapid terminal decline? I don't think so...

as for tories, the second placed runner in the labour leadership campaign is a race hating terrorist supporter. I think that is far more sinister than a few jokes
 
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coal mining wasn't proved to be anything at the time Clive..the only thing proved was that Thatcher lied at the time about the extent it would be wiped out..even though they tried to sell it that Scargill was making it up.

i was playing the north south game Clive..that southerners like playing...personally i don't really care about that..its southerners that love playing that game..at end of day it s people gambling coming unstuck and then expecting joe soap to bail them out over 30/40 years thats caused the problem we are in. You can dress it up all you want..but its money gamblers that are to blame.

Even if we were not in the mess we are in you would have the tories still doing what they have this week. They do not represent the man in the street..they are just very good at conning them into thinking they do. The video of that fund raiser should be played by any party opposing them before the next election..it would turn any decent person off them

Labour have no chance of beating them in the next 15 years..they aren't bright enough. The Labour leadership thing makes them look even dafter as well..those who think they can win next time don't stand...laughable..i'd purposely never vote for any potential Labour leader who has witheld his claim this time..spineless decision..i wouldn't forget them next time they have a leadership campaign either. It weighs up the spineless worth of the current Labour party that they stand aside and let some other schmuk take the leadership whilst they preen themselves behind the scenes....a joke of a party now.
 
clivex said:
I'm sorry but that is wrong about mining. It was subsidised to an enormous extent .
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was cheaper to pay dole money out instead everytime eh?...it could have been sorted a lot better than what it was..it was used as a tool against the working class..it was totally political...closest we have come to civil war in my lifetime..was it worth it just to beat the miners for bringing down the previous tory government?..one of teh saddest episodes in our lifetimes.

the railways now are heavily subsidised..and yet they are supposed to be privatised..how does that work Clive anyway?

we subsidise all sorts Clive..what shall we do?..close the railways down because they are a drain on society..maybe we should start closing stations again..bit like pits..start off with every station in London:)..see if we get picket lines:)..objectors...if we do send in soldiers dressed as police and beat the sh1te out of them..did the job in the 80's:)
 
Yes it is cheaper. And also there is no value in subsiding non jobs in the long run

political? The blessed working class voted in someone who stated he was going to bring down and elected government. Are you now?

Well go fck yourselves

Gloves off and you can sing for your jobs

bit thick to think it through of course because frankly they wouldn't be digging coal if they had any brains, but take on the rest of the country and you will lose. Obvious or not?

scragil was a disaster for them but the idiots still backed him
 
clivex said:
Even today we have tube drivers pulling in ludicrous salaries and benefits for a pretty unskilled job. We pay for that thanks to the wonderful unions
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What skill do you need to work in the financial sector? Apart from being able to deep throat your fat ugly **** of a boss and look like you're enjoying it.
 
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Euronymous said:
You really are a pure troll. No one could be this much of a dick in real life.
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to be fair, if someone had told me I could earn £50k p/a for sitting on my fat arse all day 20 years ago, my life might have taken a different turn. They're probably single handedly responsible for the "London" cost of living rises people get.
 
Well I did put I strongly and in truth I can always understand why the miners were swept away by scargil. So ok then.

but they believed they were invincible and at the end of the day the government and tax payers paid their wages. Abusing your paymaster is stupidity. Ask the Greeks
 
For the terminally thick here... Try and get a well paid job in finance if you can then eh?

see what qualifications you need. Woodwork GCSEs won't cut it

there is some rubbish in banks but a lot of very smart too. If you don't cut it you don't have aslef protecting you because you can't even turn up to work . You are fired

i broker finance. I have to deliver. I have to build and maintain a reputation. I have to win new clients against competition. No one gives me anything

if I don't do the above. I do not get paid a penny. Nothing

but I'm doing rathee nicely . I have helped a number of businesses save a lot of money and helped them grow.

I am am not interested in talking about myself here but i think that's a pretty tidy response to ignorant comments and five year old insults
 
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simmo said:
to be fair, if someone had told me I could earn £50k p/a for sitting on my fat arse all day 20 years ago, my life might have taken a different turn. They're probably single handedly responsible for the "London" cost of living rises people get.
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It's not just the pay but the Constant pushing for more and more benefits and concessions. They seem to be blithely unaware how lucky they are . Unfortunately that it would be too difficult with the tubes at full stretch to do what needs to be done . For now anyway ...
 
clivex said:
I am am not interested in talking about myself here but i think that's a pretty tidy response to ignorant comments and five year old insults
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You invite insults with some of the comments you make. Being a train driver might not require the skill of a craftsman or the brains of a surgeon but there is a shedload of information one needs to acquire to be one. Signals, track workings, concentration. It's a tough job and imo they earn their money.
 
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