If its more than a Twix/Coke, correct money management dictates that you lay off your stake at least. If you're a gambler then let it ride.
The Road to the 2012 2000 Guineas
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If its more than a Twix/Coke, correct money management dictates that you lay off your stake at least. If you're a gambler then let it ride.
It's not a position I'm too familiar with as I don't usually punt antepost. I suppose I'll reclaim double my stake and let the rest ride! Here's hoping!
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SlimChance
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Than the cynic in me says why did you have the bet in the first place!
Get the bet laid off and ease your mind but definitely consider the most profitable times to do so.
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SlimChance
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It's not a position I'm too familiar with as I don't usually punt antepost. I suppose I'll reclaim double my stake and let the rest ride! Here's hoping!
If you would like to cash in for double your stake now you can lay me 6/4 Camelot?
Euronymous
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He might be an older horse or two but not all of them. Not if Cirrus runs in it anyway.
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How many 2000 Guineas winners have run in a RP Trophy?
You can add Camelot to the list.
You seem to have a bit of a downer on this horse Bruce. You can’t have your cake and eat it. We heard earlier how he couldn’t win the 2,000 Guineas, now how he’s the worst value ever for the Derby. Further the colt has clearly improved physically and has run to his highest rating (as one might expect) in the 2,000 Guineas. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say he hasn't improved.
While I’m prepared to consider others against the Derby favourite he clearly has a compelling chance. Anyone who claims that this is the worst Guineas ever seen either is very young or doesn’t get out enough.
Originally Posted by Bruce_Savage
How many 2000 Guineas winners have run in a RP Trophy?
You can add Camelot to the list.
You seem to have a bit of a downer on this horse Bruce. You can’t have your cake and eat it. We heard earlier how he couldn’t win the 2,000 Guineas, now how he’s the worst value ever for the Derby. Further the colt has clearly improved physically and has run to his highest rating (as one might expect) in the 2,000 Guineas. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say he hasn't improved.
While I’m prepared to consider others against the Derby favourite he clearly has a compelling chance. Anyone who claims that this is the worst Guineas ever seen either is very young or doesn’t get out enough.
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Bruce_Savage
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You must have more money than sense to back him for the Derby.
Wonder why Aidan never ran a pacemaker for him? because he would have been exposed ten fold.
There's nothing apart from breeding to suggest he could win a Derby and at the prices the bookmakers are going to make an absolute fortune when he turns up on the downs and comes stone cold last after being of the bridle and pushed along at Tattenham Corner to be eased a beaten 20l at the finish - "save him for another day"
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Euronymous
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Were you sat watching the Rowley Mile in 1999? That's the only explanation for thinking this was a worse Guineas than the one Island Sands won.
Where have I said I've backed him for the Derby. I may do nearer the time depending on how I consider the opposition. But I've missed the boat for now and have identified a handful to take him on with at the respective prices. This does not mean that he does not have a compelling chance.
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Bruce_Savage
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Give me 2 hours to get my data together to put my argument across please.
...nothing apart from breeding and form Bruce. Understand that he ran faster than every other colt in the race in the second half of the Guineas from off the pace. i.e. he was going away from them all at the death. This is the mark of a middle distance horse that is fast enough to win at a mile. Not too many like that I'd agree. But this is one of them.
I'll give you two years. You are wrong on any piece of accurate data.
Euronymous
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Have a look at Golan as well. The field he beat was terrible.
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Probably because they were confident that he was good enough to win regardless of pace.
I can well understand people being against him for the Derby on price grounds but it is very hard to have any negatives with him otherwise.
No one is against him for the Derby Zen. Bruce was against him for the Guineas saying he was a Derby horse at the beginning of this very thread. He may not be outstanding value now, but he has an obvious chance.
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Thanks for the sensible reply Zenyetta.
Apologies for coming across a little bit tough with my response to you.
Just gathering some data and I'll reply to your post in good time.
So far you're the only one to make a logical assumption and conscious decision.
Apologies for coming across a little bit tough with my response to you.
Just gathering some data and I'll reply to your post in good time.
So far you're the only one to make a logical assumption and conscious decision.
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I think this quote from Bruce counts as 'being against him for the Derby' does it not?! :lol:
Camelot is an extremely silly price for the Derby though of course he has very sound form claims .
I doubt he would have won the Guineas on good ground he looked as if he needed every yard of the trip and Josepy was extremely fortunate that Caspar Netscher rolled away and gave him a gap through .
He should be 7-4 not 4-5 . Joseph is a 7lb penalty .
I doubt he would have won the Guineas on good ground he looked as if he needed every yard of the trip and Josepy was extremely fortunate that Caspar Netscher rolled away and gave him a gap through .
He should be 7-4 not 4-5 . Joseph is a 7lb penalty .
If only Piggot and Cauthen were still riding.
True enough... according to Bruce he was a Derby horse earlier in the thread though and couldn't win the Guineas. Now he's won the Guineas he's apparently not a Derby horse. Like Nashwan and Nijinsky before him it's possible to be both.
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Indeed a silly price but a great chance.
I must say I like Camelot and I didn't have much interest before the race. The runner up got first run on him from a very similar position but was collared. Also, Camelot had every chance to throw it away 100 yards out but battled all the way to the line. If he handles the undulations of Epsom, he looks a worthy fav. Whether either (1) some outsider puts up a career best or (2) some good horse improves 10lbs, is a guessing game but if I had a docket with 2/1 on it, I'd be happy.