Epsom Derby 2012

Hamm said:
OTB,

Don't despair, get back on the antepost wagon and back Astrology 20s and Etokhaam 25s, both each way.
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I know it's got hamm in the name but Ektihaam isn't in the race (he would need to be supplemented).

But Astrology and Imperial Monarch are looking increasingly like the support cast for Camelot.
 
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I see Bonfire is out of Night Frolic - wasn't that the filly Lord H was involved with? Or am I totoally up the wrong tree?
 
That’s right the Wandering Stars... Night Frolic was bought in utero by John Warren when he bought her dam, Miss d’Ouilly from Jean-Luc Lagadere.
 
Gareth Flynn said:
Market would suggest its a two horse race now between Camelot and Bonfire.
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I backed Fencing today and thought 10f would be his optimum. Something you could say about the winner and runner-up as well. Camelot is the likeliest winner but he could be a mile and a quarter beast and I still like Parish Hall most amongst the top half dozen in the betting.
 
This thread strangely dead after an impressive dante winner

I loved the way he travelled and certainly he should be fine at epsom. You dont always have to define these things but he had that look of class about him. A real sense of more to come.Also some nice gaps back from the two leaders to rest of field Clearly going to improve again and whilst there might be slight stamina doubts they are not enough to put me off at the prices available
 
Good place chance and yes could be a 10 furlong horse rather than further. Two or three I fancy more though.
 
Comes from a mostly 8-10f family, but you'd think the influence of Monsun via Manduro (who won over 12f himself on his one and only try and probably would have been an Arc favourite) would get him the trip.
 
who though?

The heavy ground performers over past couple of weeks have to be treated with caution surely. I havent been following things too closely but why hasnt Parish Hall been out? he looks bred for task but would much prefer to have seen that first run at three

Main Sequence looked ok but the race wasnt up to yesterdays standard at all.

Camelot obviously but thats it as far as im concerned and the price difference isnt justified

if Bonfire has stamina doubts then he's certainly not a place only bet.
 
The four I'm concentrating on in a mixture of win, place and each-way are are Camelot, Parish Hall and Astrology/Imperial Monarch (and then Bonfire).
 
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Gareth Flynn said:
Comes from a mostly 8-10f family, but you'd think the influence of Monsun via Manduro (who won over 12f himself on his one and only try and probably would have been an Arc favourite) would get him the trip.
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Bonfire shares his sire Manduro with Mandaean, but Mandaean is a Manduro/Darshaan cross who should certainly stay the trip (despite flopping) and Bonfire is a Manduro/Night Shift, with a chance of staying although the suspicion is that he could be more of a 10 furlong horse.
 
clivex said:
who though?

The heavy ground performers over past couple of weeks have to be treated with caution surely. I havent been following things too closely but why hasnt Parish Hall been out? he looks bred for task but would much prefer to have seen that first run at three
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He needs fast ground according to his trainer.
 
Well i know Bolger likes to hammer the life out of them and sometimes it works, but on balance, that would be a negative for me
 
Only 24 left in after today's declarations.

AOB has left in Camelot, Imperial Monarch, Astrology, Father of Science and Tower Rock. Parish Hall is still in as is Noble Mission and Bruce's beloved Thomas Chippendale.
 
By Marcus Armytage:


New Approach was second in the Irish Classic before winning at Epsom, although on that occasion, in 2008, there was a fortnight between races. However, after winning Sunday's Derrinstown Stud Derby Trial at Leopardstown with Light Heavy, the trainer said he was unfazed by the proximity of both races.
“Sure,” he said, “there’s nothing around to give him a tough race in the Irish Guineas.
“Parish Hall hasn’t been held up by the rain but we couldn’t run him on the soft. He was second in a maiden at Navan the only time we ran him on it before so we know he doesn’t like it. There are not an awful lot of similarities between him and New Approach, except for ability.
“I said after the Dewhurst he was up there with the best of them. I have no doubt he will stay 10 furlongs and I’m optimistic he’ll stay a mile and a half. There’s a lot of stamina in the pedigree and I always felt Teofilo would stay a mile and a half.”
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All three of Cecil's remaining in the Derby turn out at Newbury and Newmarket today.
 
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I had a fiver on Thought Worthy at 200 on the machine prior to the decks coming out so I'm hoping he runs well today and justifies turning up on the day. If you ignored imperial Monarch last time out he beat Rougemont 9 lengths, which on his second ever start is promising. Not sure what to make of the form But the fact that Gosden has left him in has to be a positive.
 
A visualization turning into the straight regarding the main contenders.

Requires adding a few trees in there for a laugh! such as; Astrology, Farhaan, Mandaen, Parish Hall etc.

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