The Two Mile Chasers

Len Madeiros said:
That might be as good as Energumene is these days, at the age of 11. It’s also the furthest Jonbon has ever beaten Edwardstone.
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Edwardstone's OR is 163. Jonbon has beaten him 11lbs.

174 is a decent rating - I think he'll go up to 175 on Tuesday - but it's a fair bit below Altior, Shishkin and Sprinter Sacre.

For the record, I had Jonbon on 178 going into yesterday's race and I also believe Edwardstone is some way better than 163 so I do think the form is better than the bare bones but it still points to Energumene being off his peak.

Isn't there a doubt of sorts about Jonbon at Cheltenham? If so, it could end up Energumene's to lose.

Unless Sir Gino rocks up in it...
 
Desert Orchid said:
Edwardstone's OR is 163. Jonbon has beaten him 11lbs.

174 is a decent rating - I think he'll go up to 175 on Tuesday - but it's a fair bit below Altior, Shishkin and Sprinter Sacre.

For the record, I had Jonbon on 178 going into yesterday's race and I also believe Edwardstone is some way better than 163 so I do think the form is better than the bare bones but it still points to Energumene being off his peak.

Isn't there a doubt of sorts about Jonbon at Cheltenham? If so, it could end up Energumene's to lose.

Unless Sir Gino rocks up in it...
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Or Il est Francais…

I actually think Gaelic Warrior might prove to be the good thing in the CC, and I agree that Jonbon has never shown his best at Cheltenham. I don’t think Energumene, at 11, will improve for yesterday’s run.
 
Question marks over them all in one way or another so considering his commanding win today, his 3rd in an Arkle and a much better jockey on board now, I couldn't resist a little e/w nibble on Matata @ 90/1 with Ladbrokes, I imagine I shall be able to lay it off at half of that once the dust settles.
 
I wouldn't read too much into today's margin myself. I backed it today because I thought it might be the only one really trying. There were grounds for suspicion about each of the others.
 
I think the difference with Jonbon from previous visits is how much he’s learned to relax now. He’s a much more complete racehorse now and easier to place in a race
 
reet hard said:
He's won 3 at the track, which favours speed much more than Cheltenham
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Without Constitution Hill and El Fabiolo he would have won a Supreme and an Arkle.

I think the oppo will try and put his jumping under pressure. Still isn't always the most fluent.
 
Frankel said:
Without Constitution Hill and El Fabiolo he would have won a Supreme and an Arkle.

I think the oppo will try and put his jumping under pressure. Still isn't always the most fluent.
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Without this and that x would be champion this and that, not a great argument imo. Without 30 others x would have won this and that. You argue better than that, try again, Come on chap, you can do better:)When I used to argue this with time ratings I got laughed at.
 
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Jonbon may well win the QMCC but lets face it it's a poor renewal. Jonbon was impressive the other day but he's no Sprinter Sacre or Altior.


This has prabaly been the weakest time for 2m chasers in a ver long time. Lat 7 Arkle winners and last 5 QMCC winners won't be going into the hall of fame any time soon
 
EC21 said:
Without this and that x would be champion this and that, not a great argument imo. Without 30 others x would have won this and that. You argue better than that, try again, Come on chap, you can do better:)When I used to argue this with time ratings I got laughed at.
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Facts. I deal in facts EC.

Where are these 30 others you have thrown in the mix?
 
I recall when Shishkin was the new messiah after beating Energumene in the Clarence House,and was odds on for the QM.
However,I also pegged that as a training run for the latter,much like the one behind Jonbon,imo.
Will history repeat itself in March?
 
reet hard said:
I recall when Shishkin was the new messiah after beating Energumene in the Clarence House,and was odds on for the QM.
However,I also pegged that as a training run for the latter,much like the one behind Jonbon,imo.
Will history repeat itself in March?
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I'm far from being a Bon Jovi groupie. Such that, I was all over Fabby to smash him in the Arkle.
He is though more professional now. I still have doubts how he will jump at the festival under pressure.

As for the messiah, I thought you had that reserved for COT :cool:
 
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